“backstop option”

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For the hard of learning, there will be no internal border in the UK.
The EU has already told the UK they cannot have the deal that was agreed for Northern Ireland. What is the UK solution to this issue?
 

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Looks more and more likely to be no deal and WTO rules.
FYI:

""It is perfectly fine for the UK to leave and trade with [the EU] as we trade with the rest of the world at the moment, under world trade rules," said MP John Redwood on 19 October.

"Even if we leave [the EU] without a deal, we still get most favoured nation status under WTO rules, which is how we trade with the rest of the world," said Bernard Jenkin MP on 17 January.

Reality Check verdict: This is wrong. With regard to tariffs, the UK trades with 24 countries and territories under WTO rules alone. With 68 others it has, as part of the EU, free trade agreements, either fully or partly in place, which all enable trade on better terms."

http://www.politics.ie/forum/northern-ireland/264583-backstop-option.html
 

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The EU has already told the UK they cannot have the deal that was agreed for Northern Ireland. What is the UK solution to this issue?



Unfortunately the UK, over centuries, has demonstrated they have solutions to nothing, but experts in, creating problems for other people to resolve these days........such AH's
 

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FYI:

""It is perfectly fine for the UK to leave and trade with [the EU] as we trade with the rest of the world at the moment, under world trade rules," said MP John Redwood on 19 October.

"Even if we leave [the EU] without a deal, we still get most favoured nation status under WTO rules, which is how we trade with the rest of the world," said Bernard Jenkin MP on 17 January.

Reality Check verdict: This is wrong. With regard to tariffs, the UK trades with 24 countries and territories under WTO rules alone. With 68 others it has, as part of the EU, free trade agreements, either fully or partly in place, which all enable trade on better terms."

http://www.politics.ie/forum/northern-ireland/264583-backstop-option.html
What are you saying, the UK cannot trade under WTO rules?
 

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For the hard of learning, there will be no internal border in the UK.
The only reason the UK won't sign up to the backstop solution for NI is that it would cause a lot of companies to move investment from GB to NI. And, to be fair, I can see why they wouldn't like that. Why their lackeys in NI are colluding with them to the detriment of their own people is more of a mystery, but its amazing what you can persuade people to sign up to if you wrap it up in jingoism and a Union Jack.
 

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What are you saying, the UK cannot trade under WTO rules?
The UK can trade under WTO rules. The firms who currently operate from the UK will have to make a decision on what to do about the impact of trading under WTO rules has on their business. For example the UK car industry supply chain will be impacted in both cost and supply time.
 

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The only reason the UK won't sign up to the backstop solution for NI is that it would cause a lot of companies to move investment from GB to NI. And, to be fair, I can see why they wouldn't like that. Why their lackeys in NI are colluding with them to the detriment of their own people is more of a mystery, but its amazing what you can persuade people to sign up to if you wrap it up in jingoism and a Union Jack.



It would appear to me Strawbs that jingoism together with the butchers apron has taken a firm hold in British politics these days.......much to the delight of the orange bigots can I add?:D
 

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What a clusterfûck for the UK! And top marks to the DUP. :)
If they wanted to provide nationalists with any more of an incentive to push harder and harder for Irish unity during the coming years, they couldn't have dreamed up a better way of doing it within the next 50 years. And of course, if, as is widely predicted the northern economy slips further back into the wilderness in the coming years then the incentive will become even greater.
 

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The only reason the UK won't sign up to the backstop solution for NI is that it would cause a lot of companies to move investment from GB to NI. And, to be fair, I can see why they wouldn't like that. Why their lackeys in NI are colluding with them to the detriment of their own people is more of a mystery, but its amazing what you can persuade people to sign up to if you wrap it up in jingoism and a Union Jack.

The vast bulk of NI exports go to GB.

Why on earth would we agree to make that more difficult?

NI is perfectly placed to increase sales to GB if and when RoI and the rest of the Eu make life more difficult for themselves.
 

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What a clusterfûck for the UK! And top marks to the DUP. :)
If they wanted to provide nationalists with any more of an incentive to push harder and harder for Irish unity during the coming years, they couldn't have dreamed up a better way of doing it within the next 50 years. And of course, if, as is widely predicted the northern economy slips further back into the wilderness in the coming years then the incentive will become even greater.
Well, in the last 24 hours the HoC has voted that there will be no infrastructure at the Irish border, and that they will not be joining the EEA. Their direction of travel suggests the DUP are going to be thrown under a bus.
 

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What a clusterfûck for the UK! And top marks to the DUP. :)
If they wanted to provide nationalists with any more of an incentive to push harder and harder for Irish unity during the coming years, they couldn't have dreamed up a better way of doing it within the next 50 years. And of course, if, as is widely predicted the northern economy slips further back into the wilderness in the coming years then the incentive will become even greater.


I have this feeling they are not only providing Nationalists with such an incentive to fast forward a UI,:lol:
 

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The vast bulk of NI exports go to GB.

Why on earth would we agree to make that more difficult?

NI is perfectly placed to increase sales to GB if and when RoI and the rest of the Eu make life more difficult for themselves.
Special status for NI within the UK wouldn't do anything to stop exports from NI to GB. It would give you the best of both worlds, but stupid, knee jerk DUPers only see everything as a threat to the union.
 

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What a clusterfûck for the UK! And top marks to the DUP. :)
If they wanted to provide nationalists with any more of an incentive to push harder and harder for Irish unity during the coming years, they couldn't have dreamed up a better way of doing it within the next 50 years. And of course, if, as is widely predicted the northern economy slips further back into the wilderness in the coming years then the incentive will become even greater.
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And the RoI government thinking how on Earth can we begin to cope with this if it did happen?

How can we get an extra £10bn just to start with nevermind the security bill and the health bill and the social security bill...........
 

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Well, in the last 24 hours the HoC has voted that there will be no infrastructure at the Irish border, and that they will not be joining the EEA. Their direction of travel suggests the DUP are going to be thrown under a bus.

Would that b the "Wright" bus?:lol::lol::lol:
 

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Would that b the "Wright" bus?:lol::lol::lol:
Well, they won't allow NI to become serious competition for England's economy, which is what would happen if they had special status, so what are we left with?

- No Irish border

- No SM and CU membership

- No backstop solution for NI

There's only one option left, isn't there?
 

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And the RoI government thinking how on Earth can we begin to cope with this if it did happen?

How can we get an extra £10bn just to start with nevermind the security bill and the health bill and the social security bill...........
Well your Taoiseach just said again...

"A hard border will just never happen, ever"

He says he is "adamant that even if the UK crashes out of the European Union in March 2019, a border will not be erected."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36997450.html
 

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Special status for NI within the UK wouldn't do anything to stop exports from NI to GB. It would give you the best of both worlds, but stupid, knee jerk DUPers only see everything as a threat to the union.
So you are thinking that the EU will allow an open border between NI and the RoI and between NI and GB?

Leaving an open door into the EU for the UK?

Really?
 


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