Barak Obama dissed at Town Hall

Twin Towers

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First, why dosn't Sarah Palin show a little bit of common goddam respect and courtesy and stop calling him "Obama" all the time.
Yeah, like everyone refers to Palin as "Sarah" :rolleyes:

Obama is still likeable but as the lady says "hot dog and beans" is where we're still headed.
 


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All is grist to the mill.

Surely it would have been a negative if the only feedback at these town hall meetings was 'go Obama, you're great'. Negative feedback, rather than hearing what they want to hear, is the aim of these townhall meetings. The fact that President Obama handled it respectfully and undauntedly is an indication of that.
 

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Obama's Secretary of Defence (who was appointed to try to correct the damage done by the idiotic Rumsfeld) is making strong efforts to reduce the defence budget ... against the objections of GOP and the gnenerals who want every shiny new toy.

Ron Paul is a busted flush whom no one listens to. It's his sold-out son I am worried about.
Great effort, a 25% increase in military expenditure in the middle of a depression.
 

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Obama's Secretary of Defence (who was appointed to try to correct the damage done by the idiotic Rumsfeld) is making strong efforts to reduce the defence budget ... against the objections of GOP and the gnenerals who want every shiny new toy.
Strong efforts = spending $100 billion more?

Ron Paul is a busted flush whom no one listens to. It's his sold-out son I am worried about.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41
 
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Leaders always disappoint their followers. The nature of being in power.

The real question is whether Obama's base, represented by the articulate woman at this town hall meeting, is going to abandon him in 2012 for the Wall Street-hugging, masturbation-condemning, gay-baiting, witchcraft-enabling Republicans. I can hazard a guess at the answer to that one.
 

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There was a very interesting poll on CBS last week. It's worth quoting the conclusions at a bit of length:

Americans have mixed feelings about President Obama's job performance, a new CBS News/ New York Times poll shows, with 45 percent saying they approve and 47 percent saying they disapprove. However, disapproval does not mean disappointment -- most Americans say that Mr. Obama's performance in office is what they expected.

Yet on the issue of the economy, which Americans perceive as the top problem facing the country, the president receives wider criticism. Mr. Obama's approval rating on the economy stands at just 41 percent. Another 51 percent of Americans disapprove.

Six in 10 Americans think Mr. Obama has not made progress fixing the economy, and a majority (53 percent) thinks he does not have a clear plan for creating jobs.

Still, Mr. Obama receives little of the blame for current economic conditions - that goes to President George W. Bush and Wall Street. When asked who is most to blame for the state of the economy, 37 percent blame the Bush administration, followed by Wall Street (21 percent), and Congress (11 percent). Just 5 percent said the Obama administration is most to blame.

....more
Poll: Obama Approval Rating Mixed, but Most See No Economic Progress - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


Several stats there, but for me it is the final sentence that tells us most about Obama's prospects. As long as people don't blame Obama, then the rest of the numbers can be seen as expressions of generalised gloom rather than a specific indictment of POTUS.

Also, I can't believe several serious posters in this thread honestly think that a President can turn around the kind of catastrophe left to Obama in 18 months. I mean, come on. It is populist nonsense to suggest a politician, even a US President, can fix such a vast and complex economy so quickly. When he said during the campaign that it would take time to fix the economy, are we really to believe that most reasonable people would have placed an 18 month time limit on that? That's just ridiculous.

Notwithstanding his current problems, I think his prospects for re-election in 2 and a half years are very good. It takes a lot to kick out an incumbent President and I doubt all those who voted for him will not be prepared to give him the full run at the thing.
 

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Leaders always disappoint their followers. The nature of being in power.

The real question is whether Obama's base, represented by the articulate woman at this town hall meeting, is going to abandon him in 2012 for the Wall Street-hugging, masturbation-condemning, gay-baiting, witchcraft-enabling Republicans. I can hazard a guess at the answer to that one.
Well you're either intentionally missing the point or you're totally clueless. The real question is whether Obama's base, represented in part by that woman but also by independents (who have abandoned him already), jews (also gone) and moderate democrats (also gone) will abandon him in the 2011 primaries.

Also, O'Donnell, who I assume you're refering to with the "Wall Street-hugging, masturbation-condemning, gay-baiting, witchcraft-enabling Republicans" tag won't get elected in Delaware, never mind be the Republican Presidental nominee.
 

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Several stats there, but for me it is the final sentence that tells us most about Obama's prospects. As long as people don't blame Obama, then the rest of the numbers can be seen as expressions of generalised gloom rather than a specific indictment of POTUS.
However, he cannot, after 4 years at the helm, campaign for re-election if blaming Bush for everything if the economy hasn't substantially picked up by then. And the belief in the "blame Bush" defense is slipping, it won't last for ever and once that's gone...
 

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Belief in the "blame Bush" defence is not slipping Cookie. I'm not saying it won't at some point, but the poll above shows it isn't yet.

I don't disagree with you that Obama needs to have made progress over the entire 4 years though. But we're not even half way there yet. Way too early to be writing him off. If anything, he is doing a better job than I had thought he would. I always liked the guy but wasn't certain he'd really be up to it. I think he's showing he is even if popular sentiment isn't fully reflecting that at the moment.
 

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No actually in the US we have various constituencies, and demographic groups, ie: Black, White, Hispanic, Liberal, Conservative and Independent, Male and Female to name the most prominent. Everyone who runs for office, and does focus groups understands this.

Obama understand this, He received the majority of the Black, Liberal and Woman vote during the last election, but it was the independents that put him over the top.

Without the independents he cannot win. The whole buzz regarding the video, is that Obama is bleeding support among his hardcore constituencies, and this particular woman represented that in a very poignant way.

Being that this Woman was Black , Liberal and a Woman. Obama has lost the Independent vote in a big way, and now his core is eroding.

As far as bringing Sarah Palin into this, shows the desperation of some of his sycophants.

The main Issue among various other subordinate issues, is the economy. Unemployment is unacceptably high, and Obamas awkward and dated Keynesian spending remedies are blowing the roof off our national debt.

America wants jobs, Americans like to work. Obama needs to put aside the Socialist agenda, and get on board with corporate America.

Business creates jobs, Business creates revenues, Governments spend the Tax payers money, and create debt.

This lack of economic sense is why Europe has longterm systemic unemployment, and the US is heading down the same road.
Good summary. I agree with it.
 

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Well you're either intentionally missing the point or you're totally clueless. The real question is whether Obama's base, represented in part by that woman but also by independents (who have abandoned him already), jews (also gone) and moderate democrats (also gone) will abandon him in the 2011 primaries.

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Do you seriously believe there is any chance of Obama not being selected to run for the Democratic party in 2012?
 

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Belief in the "blame Bush" defence is not slipping Cookie. I'm not saying it won't at some point, but the poll above shows it isn't yet.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters now think Obama’s policies are to blame for the continuing bad economy, up three points from last month. Forty-seven percent (47%) say the recession that began under Bush is at fault
In June and last October, 45% blamed Obama’s policies for the country’s ongoing economic woes, the previous high finding on this question. The number who blame Bush is down from 62% in May 2009 when Rasmussen Reports first began tracking the question regularly. Only 27% faulted Obama at that time.
48% Blame Obama for Bad Economy, 47% Blame Bush - Rasmussen Reports™
 

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no what she was saying was we voted for change and she hasn't felt it yet.... what he basicly said was while its tough on all fronts there are policy's implemented that will help these families, and while you may not feel it immediately they are there and they will help

then he listed examples
Hardly the kind of answer to 'send a tingle down your leg' as some MSNBC Obama worshiper, sorry, reporter put it just a short two years ago.
 

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Do you seriously believe there is any chance of Obama not being selected to run for the Democratic party in 2012?
Could be possible with a perfect storm of events. If this November's election changes Congress with Liberals Pelosi and Reid ousted from their majority leadership rolls, if Hillary Clinton resigns as Secretary Of State shortly after the election, and the domestic jobs situation doesn’t improve by mid 2011, you could see Obama have an LBJ moment... “I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President
 

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Could be possible with a perfect storm of events. If this November's election changes Congress with Liberals Pelosi and Reid ousted from their majority leadership rolls, if Hillary Clinton resigns as Secretary Of State shortly after the election, and the domestic jobs situation doesn’t improve by mid 2011, you could see Obama have an LBJ moment... “I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President.”
Obama is still more popular than any of his prospective opponents. It looks like his opponent will be Palin, and the majority of Americans still do not see her as Presidential material. She would also have to survive a damaging struggle to get the nomination.

To run a Democrat rival to Obama might lose the black vote, and that vote is pretty essential for Democrats. Like it or not, the Democrats will have to hang together, because they will surely hang separately.

There is a rumour of Biden and Clinton switching jobs, and running an Obama-Clinton Dream Team. Lots depends on what happens in 2011 and early 2012. Who could bet against the Republicans screwing up just like they did with Bill Clinton?
 

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I don’t know.

I think the country might be afraid of contracting Gonorrhea Lectim in 2012.

A true obamanation, the disease can only be cured by a new drug called Votemout. I hear you take the first dose in 2010, the second dose in 2012, and simply don't engage in such behavior again.

:D
 

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i wonder what we would be saying about the economy now if the conservative right in america voted for Mc Cain and Palin.

let's remember, that was the republican alternative.

a muppet and a puppet.
 

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mitt romney is the favourite at the moment, i believe.
 


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