Battle of Rourke's Drift - the epitome of British military lies ?

SlabMurphy

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Watched a programme on the History channel about the Battle of Isandlwana in 1879 where a Zulu army defeated a British force. This battle was 10 times larger than the defense of Rourke's Drift (made famous in the movie Zulu).

850 British were killed at the battle of Isandlwana. 50 escaped. The excuse given by the British was that their was a shortage of ammunition and with the sheer mass of Zulus the brave chaps were finally over run :rolleyes:

But this event was dwarfed by the black propaganda regarding the supposedly tenacious defense of Rourke's Drift .I've often wondered about the truth of this alleged titanic defense. And now it turns out that this fortunate propaganda event happened just after they got a hiding from a bunch of mere 'savages' the day before.........A fine example of British history and military lies.

Eleven Victoria Crosses were awarded to defenders of Rorke's Drift for alleged actions carried out, the most ever received by a regiment for a single action. One of the VC winners later shot himself in his garden chasing imaginery Zulus. Another died in a workhouse in Manchester shouting " the Zulus are trying to get me". Another a corporal died in poverty many years later on a ship to England, his only possession was his VC. I suppose they had outlived their usefullness, and were treated with the same indifference that the British ruling class have for their own ordinary people or anyone else.

Two officers were rewarded Victoria Crosses for Isandlwana after fleeing the battle supposedly to save the regiment's colours. On hearing this, another officer publicly stated " It is monsterous trying to make heros out of those who tried to save their own skin while bolting".

A mega issue was made out by the British media of the fact that the Zulus went round cutting open the stomachs of the dead British soldiers after the battle. However as a descendant of the Zulu king said, it was Zulu practise to do this even with their own people as they believed it realized the dead persons soul. Ofcourse nothing was said about the British soldiers baynetting 100's of wounded Zulus to death at Rourke's Drift - a fact also conveniently left out of the film.

So by mega glorifying Rourke's Drift while ignoring their defeat in a battle ten times larger at Isandlwana would you agree that it was the epitome of British military lies ?
 


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I think the headline says it all............get that right and maybe the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz will stop.
 

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When you see some of the posters banned, threads binned and comments removed from this forum it's amazing that SlabMurphy (named after a terrorist no less) is allowed to continue with his nonsense.

Are Irish Republicans and terrorist supporters allowed more leeway?
 
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When you see some of the posters banned, threads binned and comments removed from this forum it's amazing that SlabMurphy (named after a terrorist no less) is allowed to continue with his nonsense.

Are Irish Republicans and terrorist supporters allowed more leeway?
You have no right to ask mods that question as it means you questioning their rights.
 

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There is also a film called 'Zulu Dawn' that tells the story of the big battle.

What do you expect in times of war, this is gentle propaganda to what came later in the 20th century. If I'm not mistaken the British public and government went mad about this anyway and it took the queens intervention to save the commanding officer from a court marshal, who was some type of relative or favourite of hers.
 

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Why don't you shove your pathetic Brit bashing right up your arse and take the chip off your shoulder you idiot.
 

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Nice to see Slab focussing on the hot-button issues of the day, eh...
 

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Could someone please ban this utter muppet! He's clotting up this forum with useless long winded ignorant spewed nonsense. His stupidity might well be contagious you know!!
 

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The plucky defenders of Rourke's Drift - the noncommissioned officers took command rather than the two incompetent officers - created a redoubt out of meal bags and held off the Zulus with bayonets and point blank firing with their heavy caliber Martini-Henris.

The 850 men who were cut to pieces at Isandlwana did not construct any fortifications or ramparts which allowed the tribesmen to swarming over them.

The stupidity of the British doctrine was evidence - only issuing single shot rifles to their men instead of repeating rifles such as the Winchester lever-action repeating rifle or the Gatling gun which was used in the US Civil War which would have given the men a better chance.

In the twentieth century when most armies switched to the automatic rifle the British were still using the semi-automatic SLR during the Falklands War which showed that the thicko officers still believed in limiting the firepower of the average soldier.

The Zulus overwhelmed the British at Isandlwana but still suffered horrific casualties among mostly young teenage or twenty-something warriors.

The Zulu who charged the garrison at Rourke's Drift were mostly middle aged men and were part of a reserve.

The Zulus won the battle at Isandlwana but they ultimately lost the war and were wiped out by the British in subsequent engagements.
 

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Could someone please ban this utter muppet! He's clotting up this forum with useless long winded ignorant spewed nonsense. His stupidity might well be contagious you know!!
Unbelievable how British Citizen can get banned and this glipe continues spewing bile. Are mods too busy?
 

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I think the OP really hasn't studied much in the history of actual warfare, as in the weaponry and tactics of the time.

At the time the British were using single shot Henry Rifles with an effective range of approximately 200 yards. At best they would get off 5 shots while the enemy closed the ground.

At Isandlwana they were up against a force of 15,000 Zulus and they had their artillery (the real advantage on any battlefield) strung out on the supply train, rendering it ineffective.

Given the position that the main British force took up the majority of the Zulu centre was able to approach from behind a ridge, thus inhibiting firing range. In addition once engaged in melee combat the British foot was dependant on using their rifles as a rudimentary club or offering the point of the bayonet, neither of which was as effective as the short Zulu war spear.

Also because they were not expecting the attack, the ammunition was still in the supply wagons and hadn't been distributed properly to the troops. As already stated the rifles themselves did not magazine a ready supply of ammunition and therefore effective distribution of ammunition was essential in this type of warfare.

As for Rourke's Drift the Zulu warriors who died from the tip of the bayonet did so for the reasons outlined above. The bayonet was still an essential weapon in warfare of this time and was used for combat not as your propaganda suggests to kill wounded Zulus.

Again the British forces were vastly outnumbered here, and also had no artillery available to them. Those who succeeded in defending this position deserved every honour they got.
 

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Watched a programme on the History channel about the Battle of Isandlwana in 1879 where a Zulu army defeated a British force. This battle was 10 times larger than the defense of Rourke's Drift (made famous in the movie Zulu).

850 British were killed at the battle of Isandlwana. 50 escaped. The excuse given by the British was that their was a shortage of ammunition and with the sheer mass of Zulus the brave chaps were finally over run :rolleyes:

But this event was dwarfed by the black propaganda regarding the supposedly tenacious defense of Rourke's Drift .I've often wondered about the truth of this alleged titanic defense. And now it turns out that this fortunate propaganda event happened just after they got a hiding from a bunch of mere 'savages' the day before.........A fine example of British history and military lies.

Eleven Victoria Crosses were awarded to defenders of Rorke's Drift for alleged actions carried out, the most ever received by a regiment for a single action. One of the VC winners later shot himself in his garden chasing imaginery Zulus. Another died in a workhouse in Manchester shouting " the Zulus are trying to get me". Another a corporal died in poverty many years later on a ship to England, his only possession was his VC. I suppose they had outlived their usefullness, and were treated with the same indifference that the British ruling class have for their own ordinary people or anyone else.

Two officers were rewarded Victoria Crosses for Isandlwana after fleeing the battle supposedly to save the regiment's colours. On hearing this, another officer publicly stated " It is monsterous trying to make heros out of those who tried to save their own skin while bolting".

A mega issue was made out by the British media of the fact that the Zulus went round cutting open the stomachs of the dead British soldiers after the battle. However as a descendant of the Zulu king said, it was Zulu practise to do this even with their own people as they believed it realized the dead persons soul. Ofcourse nothing was said about the British soldiers baynetting 100's of wounded Zulus to death at Rourke's Drift - a fact also conveniently left out of the film.

So by mega glorifying Rourke's Drift while ignoring their defeat in a battle ten times larger at Isandlwana would you agree that it was the epitome of British military lies ?
what are you blathering about? there's nothing "hidden" about Isandlwana, in fact you can take tours of all the battlefields in KwaZulu-Natal today. Unless some new information has come to light about the events, the thread is pointless.
 

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Lots of people queuing up to make personal attacks on the OP.

In fact,
there's thousands of 'em.
 

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Lots of people queuing up to make personal attacks on the OP.

In fact,
there's thousands of 'em.
For good reason. He's a gobs.hite pure and simple.
 
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In case you missed it Slab, Ireland has been captured, raped and pillaged by a handful of men who then sauntered into Dublin Airport, accompanied by The Tratiors. What happened or did not happen to the Brits or the Zulus on the continent of Africa is way down my list of "things to worry about" so forgive me if I don't say, "well, bugger me, I'm glad Slab told me that".
 

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You seem to have touched a bit of a raw nerve with the Unionist fraternity with that one Slab! The wigwogs of bingobongo land turning over the mighty empire isn't something they seem too happy to be reminded about. Mind you, if some Protestant was put out of a big house in Cork not so very long after Rorke's Drift the same boys would be happy to slabber all day about it.
 

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Unbelievable how British Citizen can get banned and this glipe continues spewing bile. Are mods too busy?
who flipping knows mate! BC was a good poster and why he's given a red card yet the likes of scab are still here defies all reason
 

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It was a reasonable post. Ceist amhain. What were the British even doing there in the first place?

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