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I don't care if I upset the comrades. This has to be sorted. I've received an invite to a "Conversation with Dick Spring and Susan O'Keeffe" at a bar in Merrion Square Dublin 2 on 7th. October. Only €20 if working, and €10 if unwaged? (hah)

Grand.

Why the hell do women have to go to Dublin to speak with a candidate for the General Election who will represent Sligo North, I think, and converse with Dick Spring who lives in Kerry??

Before I was a culchie I never thought of this. The Labour Party will die a death in the rest of the country if it doesn't make a bloody effort and get the elected gods up off their arses and out and about to meet the voters, everywhere.

Even if I could go, which I can't, who can afford to spend a night in a hotel nowadays? Cop on to yourselves comrades.
 


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Before I was a culchie I never thought of this. The Labour Party will die a death in the rest of the country if it doesn't make a bloody effort and get the elected gods up off their arses and out and about to meet the voters, everywhere.
You're being a bit harsh.

Week before last week Gilmore was in Cork, Kerry Limerick and Tipp, and last week, tying in with the think-in he was in Roscommon, Sligo and Mayo. He has moe visits around the country planned

Joan has public meeting planned in Louth and Kilkenny in the next few weeks, and they're just the ones that have come to my attention. In know that in both of these instances, the local organisations were instrumental in arranging the event, so there are plenty of people at local and national level, 'getting off their arses'!

Why don't you invite some of them down yourself?
 

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People are expected to pay to listen to their politicians ?

Just to be clear it's a Labour Women, (as distinct from Labour Party) fundraiser. So of course people are being asked to put thier hands in their pockets.
 
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With the greatest of respect redhead, we need all the help we can get in Mayo. Big time. All the help we can get also, I'm sure, in Sligo. Our hospitals have been decimated. Jerry Cowley is a great candidate but we need a big announcement, not in Dublin, not anywhere but here, in Mayo, with Mayoman Rabbitte, and Galway Leader Gilmore and the rest of them.

This Women's group stuff is, begging your pardon,very old hat now. Men and women are human beings, not different species. We, the women give birth, the men help create that life. The woman should not be treated as a seperate entity by our party no matter what society says.

And by inviting women out to a night out in a Dublin Hotel to meet a woman from Sligo and a man from Kerry hardly lends itself to the ideals behind the idea of Womens' groups which began a very long time ago. If you really want to meet the women, go out to the school gates, invite them and their kids to the local community hall, have a play area for the kids, a cup of tea for the women and a chance to tell their tales, not listen to someone telling them for them.
 

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And by inviting women out to a night out in a Dublin Hotel to meet a woman from Sligo and a man from Kerry hardly lends itself to the ideals behind the idea of Womens' groups which began a very long time ago. If you really want to meet the women, go out to the school gates, invite them and their kids to the local community hall, have a play area for the kids, a cup of tea for the women and a chance to tell their tales, not listen to someone telling them for them.

Completely agree!!
 

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Just to be clear it's a Labour Women, (as distinct from Labour Party) fundraiser. So of course people are being asked to put thier hands in their pockets.
but what about the vurnerable the labour party are always talking about and now they want their scarce money to listen to them waffling on about the vulnerabal suffering. :mad: doesnt make sense to me anyway.
 

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Look, this is a fundraiser, not a party barnstorming or campaigning event. It makes sense that it take place with the largest number of potential attendees to raise most funds. The purpose isn't, I believem to 'meet' Susan O'Keeffe, it is, I expect, offerring a political cabaret style social event designed to be a bit of an enlightening, fun night out which raises funds for Labour Women.

Of course Party events should take place around the country, that doesn't mean that every event that takes place in Dublin is an affront to the rest of the country. Your local organisation would gain precious little if this event were held in Mayo - much better for campaigning type events to be held around the country and fundraising type events to be targeted to areas where most money can be raised for the party.
 

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Beg pardon?
Its the thought that occured to me when you said
we need a big announcement, not in Dublin, not anywhere but here, in Mayo, with Mayoman Rabbitte, and Galway Leader Gilmore and the rest of them.
So women are not a separate species, and so won't relate to an appeal addressed to them as a group, but Mayo people are, and will only respond to an appeal addressed to them as a group?

This may well be the situation you are in, its just not exactly an example of modernity in all its glory.

Seriously, I'm not getting at you. I'm sure you're just working to get your candidate elected. I'm just wondering at the extent to which the agenda any new Government needs to face can be broken down by county. I can't imagine the IMF especially observing the need to take counties into the measure.
 
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Look, this is a fundraiser, not a party barnstorming or campaigning event. It makes sense that it take place with the largest number of potential attendees to raise most funds. The purpose isn't, I believem to 'meet' Susan O'Keeffe, it is, I expect, offerring a political cabaret style social event designed to be a bit of an enlightening, fun night out which raises funds for Labour Women.

Of course Party events should take place around the country, that doesn't mean that every event that takes place in Dublin is an affront to the rest of the country. Your local organisation would gain precious little if this event were held in Mayo - much better for campaigning type events to be held around the country and fundraising type events to be targeted to areas where most money can be raised for the party.
I know it's a party fundraiser. What I am trying to say, very badly apparently, is that it is not a great idea, at this present time, to present a picture of hotels in well-to-do areas of Dublin, being used by a socialist party for a night out for those women fortunate enough to have funds for child minding if necessary, the money to get to the venue, and the money to pay the entrance fee and to buy the odd drink. Especially women! Do you not get it. This Government has targetted women and kids. We need our party to direct their campaign towards this group, not make us feel even more shltty than usual by bringing to our attention this genteel social outing for those wealthy enough to pay for such a nice time.

It is a bad time. There is a recession on. Child benefit has been cut. Back to school expenses huge. As you know. Can we not do something other than the bloody usual red wine amd cracker and mandatory tut tut. The emergency is here. Now.
 

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I know it's a party fundraiser. What I am trying to say, very badly apparently, is that it is not a great idea, at this present time, to present a picture of hotels in well-to-do areas of Dublin, being used by a socialist party for a night out for those women fortunate enough to have funds for child minding if necessary, the money to get to the venue, and the money to pay the entrance fee and to buy the odd drink. Especially women! Do you not get it. This Government has targetted women and kids. We need our party to direct their campaign towards this group, not make us feel even more shltty than usual by bringing to our attention this genteel social outing for those wealthy enough to pay for such a nice time.

It is a bad time. There is a recession on. Child benefit has been cut. Back to school expenses huge. As you know. Can we not do something other than the bloody usual red wine amd cracker and mandatory tut tut. The emergency is here. Now.
You really dont get it ordinary people who have their benefit cut are not the people the party want to impress, no it is the middle and upper class they want to impress, why else would they hold their get together in a top class hotel and why would the want the rich to keep their child benefit and give the likes of dermot desmond and denis o'brien free third level education free. I could go on and on and .....yes the ladies they wish to attend can afford babysitters and red and white wine and overnight in a dublin hotel also
 

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With the greatest of respect redhead, we need all the help we can get in Mayo. Big time. All the help we can get also, I'm sure, in Sligo. Our hospitals have been decimated. Jerry Cowley is a great candidate but we need a big announcement, not in Dublin, not anywhere but here, in Mayo, with Mayoman Rabbitte, and Galway Leader Gilmore and the rest of them.

This Women's group stuff is, begging your pardon,very old hat now. Men and women are human beings, not different species. We, the women give birth, the men help create that life. The woman should not be treated as a seperate entity by our party no matter what society says.

And by inviting women out to a night out in a Dublin Hotel to meet a woman from Sligo and a man from Kerry hardly lends itself to the ideals behind the idea of Womens' groups which began a very long time ago. If you really want to meet the women, go out to the school gates, invite them and their kids to the local community hall, have a play area for the kids, a cup of tea for the women and a chance to tell their tales, not listen to someone telling them for them.
That's not a problem that is particular to Labour of course, Ireland suffers badly from a problem of having one pre-eminent urban setting that is not centrally located, that's an accident of history and there's not a lot we can do about it.
 

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The Labour Party will die a death in the rest of the country if it doesn't make a bloody effort and get the elected gods up off their arses and out and about to meet the voters, everywhere.
Is the Labour party alive in "the rest of the country"?

Dundalk is the largest provincial town in Ireland and there is no sign of them up here.
 

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With the greatest of respect redhead, we need all the help we can get in Mayo. Big time. All the help we can get also, I'm sure, in Sligo. Our hospitals have been decimated. Jerry Cowley is a great candidate but we need a big announcement, not in Dublin, not anywhere but here, in Mayo, with Mayoman Rabbitte, and Galway Leader Gilmore and the rest of them.

This Women's group stuff is, begging your pardon,very old hat now. Men and women are human beings, not different species. We, the women give birth, the men help create that life. The woman should not be treated as a seperate entity by our party no matter what society says.

And by inviting women out to a night out in a Dublin Hotel to meet a woman from Sligo and a man from Kerry hardly lends itself to the ideals behind the idea of Womens' groups which began a very long time ago. If you really want to meet the women, go out to the school gates, invite them and their kids to the local community hall, have a play area for the kids, a cup of tea for the women and a chance to tell their tales, not listen to someone telling them for them.

I, for one, agree with you.

Labour has an opportunity to do well in the next GE. But, right now, that is all it is. To maximise that opportunity it must engage the population and demonstrate its inclusiveness in the local, non-traditional labour settings.

Valid point.
 
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Is this the royal 'we'? What fundraisers are YOU organising?
As a member of the Labour Party I am entitled to say "we" when talking to fellow comrades. So naff off with your pathetic retort.

As someone who is unable, at present, due to health reasons, to take part in active political activities, I do what I can and what I can do is suggest, in whatever fashion I can, how the Party can improve it's chances of reaching as much of the electorate as possible.

Looking at things a step away from active involvement, for the first time in over 30 years, and living as I do now away from the metropolis, I despair that Labour will ever break the hold that FFers and FGers have in the more rural areas. If we are serious, and we are, to be a competent, efficient, effective opposition, as opposed to FG, we must spread out into the countryside. We must work from the ground up. Not do what is always done. Let those who cannot, benefit from the crumbs of the rich man's table.

It is my hope to see Labour in power. Not in coalition, But in power. If I need to criticise some things, so be it. I would be a traitor to the cause if I kept my mouth shut.

Unlike other political parties, this is allowed in Labour, without punishment or banishment.
 

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Is the Labour party alive in "the rest of the country"?

Dundalk is the largest provincial town in Ireland and there is no sign of them up here.
According to your local media, Labour will be running two candidates in your constituency. One in the north and one in the south.
 

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According to your local media, Labour will be running two candidates in your constituency. One in the north and one in the south.
Running candidates in the absence of a local organisation is an act in folly and profligacy.

Pehaps the people of Dundalk will also be invited to an expensive hotel in Dublin to hear what the Labout party has in mind for us peasants.
 

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