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Belfast murals: Fodor's Guide accused of sectarianism.

raetsel

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48639978

A world-renowned travel guide is to remove content about Belfast murals after it was described as "highly inaccurate and offensive".
The content on Fodor's Travel website and in their books on Ireland, said nationalist murals "often aspire to the heights of Sistine Chapel-lite".
It said loyalist murals "sometimes resemble war comics without the humour".
Prof Peter Shirlow, head of Irish Studies at Liverpool University, criticised the city guide.
"I found some of the commentary to be offensive, if not sectarian," he said.
"It plays upon sectarian myths of identity and culture in Northern Ireland and has failed in any way to deal with the murals in ways that is either balanced, appropriate or ultimately fair."
"In Northern Ireland they say the Protestants make the money, and the Catholics make the art, and as with all clichés, there is some truth in it."
The unionist commentator Peter Shirlow understandably isn't happy with the unflattering stereotypes contained in Fodor's guide. However he is trying to put the blame on nationalist tour guides in Belfast, rather than recognising that they are the genuine perceptions of at least one neutral outside observer, and are entirely self inflicted, as anyone familiar with the sometimes horrifically grim depictions of the Troubles painted on gables in loyalist areas instantly realises.

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Sounds like fair comment to me

- the Republican ones are far better than the Loyalist ones

I don't think their primary motive is the love of Art for Art's sake mind...
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Peter Shirlow is not a unionist commentator but an academic who has led research on conflict.
 

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Peter Shirlow is not a unionist commentator but an academic who has led research on conflict.
If he isn't then why does the Belfast Telegraph portray him as such? Shirlow very clearly commentates from a unionist viewpoint, and he did so again on this issue. He goes out of his way to be offended on behalf of unionism, in fact.


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/unionists-unite-in-call-for-rights-debate-to-cross-sectarian-lines-sinn-fein-welcomes-move-36647677.html
One of the key figures behind the initiative is Professor Peter Shirlow of Liverpool University, formerly of both Queen's and Ulster University.
 

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Peter Shirlow is not a unionist commentator but an academic who has led research on conflict.
He can be both. I think his inability to take the criticism on board at all when anyone with eyes can see that the two sets of murals are of a completely different level of artistic accomplishment, shows that he's not as objective as he would like people to think.

Nothing unusual in that, TBH, I think none of us who grew up in NI are entirely neutral, that would require perfection - itself an impossibility for humans.

Better IMO to consider such objectivity as an aspiration to work towards, and in this case Prof Shirlow doesn't seem to be doing that.

(I have to say the complaints made me laugh - but thats partly because I'm not entirely objective about all this - and I know that.. :) )
 

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He can be both. I think his inability to take the criticism on board at all when anyone with eyes can see that the two sets of murals are of a completely different level of artistic accomplishment, shows that he's not as objective as he would like people to think.

Nothing unusual in that, TBH, I think none of us who grew up in NI are entirely neutral, that would require perfection - itself an impossibility for humans.

Better IMO to consider such objectivity as an aspiration to work towards, and in this case Prof Shirlow doesn't seem to be doing that.

(I have to say the complaints made me laugh - but thats partly because I'm not entirely objective about all this - and I know that.. :) )
Ironically he seems to have made this a story all by himself.
He has previous form on this sort of denial. He has in the past tried to suggest that educational underachievement among working class Protestants compared to Catholics was something of a misrepresentation, despite the fact that the evidence is overwhelming.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/poorer-protestant-boys-faring-worst-in-northern-ireland-schools-says-report-37697585.html
 

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As for Derry, having been involved on the periphery of attempting to get some of our unionist/loyalist brethren to partake in some workshops to share in some common exchange of artistic exploits, I always find that they are loath to share/ abandon any of their heritage to the natives. That said, there are some great local and young artists doing some good artistic work in around the Fountain Estate. If they are allowed to express themselves without the shackles of their UDA overlords then a viable and unique cityscape can be developed in the city of Derry and further afield.

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The unionist commentator Peter Shirlow understandably isn't happy with the unflattering stereotypes contained in Fodor's guide. However he is trying to put the blame on nationalist tour guides in Belfast, rather than recognising that they are the genuine perceptions of at least one neutral outside observer, and are entirely self inflicted, as anyone familiar with the sometimes horrifically grim depictions of the Troubles painted on gables in loyalist areas instantly realises.

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Republican murals are hardly uplifting pieces of inspiration. Gaslighting
 

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There's an Emeritus Prof of history at Heidelberg University called Kai Eisenberg whose specialist subject is the murals and banners of N.i. Anyway one fine Twelvth he went into East Belfast and parked up before heading off to take some fotees. Now German numberplates have your initials as part of the reg so the lads saw KE , thought he was a fenian, beat him up, stole his camera and torched his car. All despite him having full perm from the OO to go about his business. Amazing people it has to be said.
 

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KE ? D Surely?

What’s is Fenian about KE?
 

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What registration do southern Orange men use in their cars?
Are you being pedantic or just plain stupid.

Why would a Donegal orangeman be heading to East Belfast for the Twelfth when their lodges March with the Londonderry districts Twelfth parade.
 

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Mural to notorious drug dealer Stephen 'Flathead' McKeag who valiantly died consuming his own product.

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Southern Prods don't own cars? Have you reported this to the AA?
I know it goes against the prevailing narrative but numbers of Southern Prods have been going up since the 1990s, a combination of converts and imports mostly.

Some of them even own cars.
 


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