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Belgium on the way to break up ?


SlabMurphy

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So could Belgium be on the way to break up. I know that their has been the odd break down in relations between the Flemish ( Dutch speaking ) and Walloons ( French speaking ) down the years but I thought it was harmonious enough. There is also a small German speaking minority in the east.

Belgians warned to prepare for country's split
Monday September 06 2010

A woman tipped as a future Belgian premier has told citizens to "get ready for the break-up" of the country, after talks to form a government failed.

Laurette Onkelinx, a Socialist MP, spoke after King Albert II appointed two new negotiators to form a government straddling Dutch and French-speaking factions.

Elio Di Rupo, the Socialist leader, gave up efforts to form a coalition with the biggest Flemish party, the independence-minded N-VA, seven weeks after a general election returned a hung parliament.

"Let's hope it doesn't come to that because if we split, it will be the weakest who will pay the heaviest price. On the other hand, we can no longer ignore that among a large part of the Flemish population, it's their wish," Miss Onkelinx told 'La Derniere Heure' newspaper.

"So yes, we have to get ready for the break-up of Belgium. "Loads of people think it's possible."

Belgians warned to prepare for country's split - Europe, World News - Independent.ie

Here's a little backgound information on the country.

Belgium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

riven

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It will be interesting to see what happens. while the Dutch would happily incorporate the north part of Belgium it will more like become sovereign.
The south would really be in the crapper if a break-up occurs. The north is the economic powerhouse of the country and is repetitively honest; the south is ridden with corruption and brown envelopes. However I doubt the would join France.
 

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It will be interesting to see what happens. while the Dutch would happily incorporate the north part of Belgium it will more like become sovereign.
The south would really be in the crapper if a break-up occurs. The north is the economic powerhouse of the country and is repetitively honest; the south is ridden with corruption and brown envelopes. However I doubt the would join France.
Sacre Blue!

The French Army will once more be on the Field of Waterloo!

Will the Cockpit of Europe ignite again?:eek:
 

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It is unlikely that Belgium will ever break up because of Brussels - a majority French-speaking city within Flanders.
 

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Waloonia would become the economic basketcase of europe whereas Flanders would surpass Luxembourg for wealth.

as for Brussels . . . the first protectorate of the EU or a kind of D.C. for the EU
 

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It is unlikely that Belgium will ever break up because of Brussels - a majority French-speaking city within Flanders.
Brussells was Flemish speaking before Belguim was set up. The language was discouraged by the French speaking elite.
 

Old Mr Grouser

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It is unlikely that Belgium will ever break up because of Brussels - a majority French-speaking city within Flanders.
It might make it more likely. They'll be able to have their cake and still eat it; that is, the two parts of Belgium will be able to separate - but still argue about Brussels. :p

But the whole situation has a promise of war about it. It was always said, as far back as the 19th century, that if the Flemings of Belgium ever joined Holland then Holland would soon join Germany - which as a result would be dominant in Europe.

France will never allow it.
 

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In working class flemish areas of Brussels the french street names on the bilingual signs are all obliterated
 

barrym

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Right on about Brx., that will be hard to break up without it, but it won't happen with it....bizarre. It will certainly be left behind, but who will run it? I'm not sure of the legal status of the deal which created the original mess but I assume that it can not 'break up' unless it all breaks up??

The worst possible solution, however unlikely, is that it would be left to the EU to take it over.... All 27 would then end up running it, and since they couldn't organise the well known p**s up what would they do with Brx??
 

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It might make it more likely. They'll be able to have their cake and still eat it; that is, the two parts of Belgium will be able to separate - but still argue about Brussels. :p

But the whole situation has a promise of war about it. It was always said, as far back as the 19th century, that if the Flemings of Belgium ever joined Holland then Holland would soon join Germany - which as a result would be dominant in Europe.

France will never allow it.
I think it is safe to say that Holland has no interest in becoming part of Germany. It is much more likely that the French-speaking part of Belgium would seek to join France.
 

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It might make it more likely. They'll be able to have their cake and still eat it; that is, the two parts of Belgium will be able to separate - but still argue about Brussels. :p

But the whole situation has a promise of war about it. It was always said, as far back as the 19th century, that if the Flemings of Belgium ever joined Holland then Holland would soon join Germany - which as a result would be dominant in Europe.

France will never allow it.
You mustn't know the Dutch my friend. Holland join Germany ???? About as much chance as the Pope getting married :cool:
 
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john moriarty

If it comes to it, Brussels
could become a sort of
Washington D.C. though
Strasbourg might not be
too keen.
 

deirdrem

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Brussells was Flemish speaking before Belguim was set up. The language was discouraged by the French speaking elite.
I have read that Brussel had a Flemish speaking majority until the 1930s.
I think something in the region of 10% are now Flemish speaking, about 60% are French speaking, and the other 30% speak other languages.
The French speakers tend to claim this 30% as French speakers because that is the most spoken language in the city, but I think things are a little more complicated than that.
Having said all of that, my figures could be slightly dated.
 

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i know a belgian guy living over here, and he talks about this in terms of it being a total inevitability.

he reckons it will happen at some point in the next year and a half.
 

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Belgium and Ireland

It seems that we Irish and the Belgians and have something in common.
We are both small countries that have been dominated by larger neighbours.
We are both divided countries.Ireland by religion.Belgium by language.
We Irish and the Belgians as a people in general do not take ourselves
too seriously.

Plus us Irish and the Belgians have a love for strong drink.Plus were both in
the EU and have the Euro as our currency and legal tender.

It would be a shame if Belgium broke up.I hope that Belgium will remain
united despite it's current political and economic problems.

Vive l'Irlande et Vive la Belgique...
 

beamish2010

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Belgium will remain united.

I think that the break up of Belgium despite it's current economic and political
problems is still pretty unlikely.First there is Brussels a French-speaking city
in the Flemish north.Secondly you have the Belgian royal family.Thirdly you
have the Belgian national soccer team.Fourthly there is the national debt.

Today the Flemish are the breadwinners of Belgium and the Walloons are
in the poor house.However 35-40 years it was the Walloons who were the
breadwinners of Belgium and the Flemish who were in the poor house.
Today the tables have now turned.

However this should not give the Flemish an excuse to demand the break up
of Belgium and running down their French-speaking compatriots.

Vive la Belgique...
 

jacko

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I think that the break up of Belgium despite it's current economic and political
problems is still pretty unlikely.First there is Brussels a French-speaking city
in the Flemish north.Secondly you have the Belgian royal family.Thirdly you
have the Belgian national soccer team.Fourthly there is the national debt.

Today the Flemish are the breadwinners of Belgium and the Walloons are
in the poor house.However 35-40 years it was the Walloons who were the
breadwinners of Belgium and the Flemish who were in the poor house.
Today the tables have now turned.

However this should not give the Flemish an excuse to demand the break up
of Belgium and running down their French-speaking compatriots.

Vive la Belgique...
indeed, 100 hundred years ago, west Flanders was a place of extreme poverty and hardship
 
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