Bertie for President

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saw an article about this during the week, and wondered what people thought. It made sense to me.

Bertie is leading FF to a third GE, and is in good shape to win it. This would raise him to the status of most successful post Civil war Taoiseach and FF leader. Rank him is one of the greats.

He has also stated that its his last GE, so he won't be going for four in a row.

So where next for him.

What about the Presidency ?

The job comes up in 2011 with Mc Aleese's two terms coming to an end, and will be close to the end of FF's term in government, should they be elected. It would give the next leader time to take over, and assert his (or her) control in readiness for the next election afterwards (2011 or 2012).

It would also get the FF election team out on the doors in readiness for the next election, and use popular Bertie one more time for FF.

And finally, it would mean Bertie would be the Taoiseach for 2016, giving him pride of place on the steps of the GPO on the centenary of the Rising.

What do people think ?
 


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Ahern has been asked about this umpteen times. And he has given the same answer, umpteen times, that he wouldn't be able to live with the constraints of the Presidency.

Ahern would only be 60 in 2011. Still a young age, and lots he could do outside of politics.

Plus he sees a career for himself in Europe at some stage (which is almost laughable...) but this could go up in smoke if FF get embroiled in the trouble brewing among the EU Parliament groupings
 

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Yeah, the Presidency is going to go to either John Bruton or Avril Doyle!
 

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NO NO NO NO No politicians and no more old men in the Aras.



How boring and unimaginative a choice he would be, no matter what you think of Mary Mac would you rather have had Reyonalds as President all these years?
 

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Gladstone said:
How boring and unimaginative a choice he would be, no matter what you think of Mary Mac would you rather have had Reyonalds as President all these years?
Yes... but then again, Mary Banotti would have beaten him.
 

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blue33 said:
Yeah, the Presidency is going to go to either John Bruton or Avril Doyle!
If John Bruton ever holds any significant public office in this country I'm emigrating.

Bet he still gets a hard on when he thinks of Prince Charles.
 

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I have one thing to say on this:

How about Bertie AND his makeup for President ? Like Bertie without his makeup isn't much of a package so we really ought ensure that we get the makeup as part of the package ...

That would save us €250,000 per year .... whereas

plain vanilla Bertie + President = Pressie's salary + €250k ...
 

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No. There should be another woman in the Aras to make up for all the men.
 

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Just abolish the ridiculous institution, it is powerless and meaningless.

With the exception of Robinson (I'm no fan) it is a retirement home for FF/FG politicians to earn a few bob.
 

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Engels said:
Just abolish the ridiculous institution, it is powerless and meaningless.
Indeed. Bring back the Govenor-General :!:
 

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does someone have to consent to being president ?

How about elect Dermot Desmond

Then the cabinet refuse him permission to go abroad ... then he has to pay taxes !
 

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I think It's time for a bit of retro in the Aras. Restore the Hillery Values. There are simply too may photos and news stories of the President in the media. I dont think we should go back to the GovGen but whats wrong with fishing and golfing. Do people really need to know if the President is in or out of the country? And surely we are diminishing the majesty of the Office by allowing all these pesky citizens to wander around the Aras. Throw them out, Put out that annoying light, Lock the gates and go golfing. Robbo started this stuff and MaryMc has continued it. But enough is enough. Give Bertie his third victory and then send him to the Park. After 21 years of women expanding the office we need a yesterdays man for the future.
 
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I wouldn't have a problem with bertie being pres. if he wants to be, but would we not be better off with him still on the cabinet table for another term? to ease the transition from regime to regime...
 

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Keep the presidency but maybe increase its powers slightly. In particular, her power to call a referendum should be made more a discretionary power than at present.
 

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Couldn't see Bertie having any interest in it to be honest. He would certainly be elected though.
 

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I think we should ask one of the Royal Houses of Europe (not the Windsors obviously) to provide us with a monarch. The last two Presidents have shown that the job needs a bit of trianing and they have both suffered from the lack of it.

We would no longer need presidential elections. We would have grown out of republicanism. We would have a sense of continuity witha Constitutional monarch who would be really above politics and not trying to stick their oar in like the two Marys.
 

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Yeah maybe one of the younger siblings ? Perhaps we could take "Wills" , train him up, & then he'd be hot 'n ready when Charles pops ...

actually even better - the British have a 3 party system - we should get the loser party as our goverment here, they'd be very enthuasiastic & make lots of effort etc so as to get elected next time !
 


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