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Best help for disadvantaged communities is early childhood education according to Nobel Laureate Heckman


patslatt

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Best help for disadvantaged communities is early childhood education according to Nobel Laureate Heckman

See Boston Review — James J. Heckman: Promoting Social Mobility

Heckman's research provides convincing arguments that early childhood education yields excellent results for disadvantaged communities in contrast to interventions at a later age,such as remedial education for teenagers,adult literacy programmes and rehabilitation for prisoners. Quality of parenting,not just low incomes,deserves more attention in the assessment of childhood disadvantage.

Despite hard economic times,it would be extremely harmful to Irish society if the government were to cut support for early childhood education for the disadvantaged. We don't want to emulate the US where figures for Hispanic and AfroAmerican minority youth show that three quarters of them do not complete High School,a social disaster surely.
 
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Dr Orla Doyle has been doing some very interesting work on this issue.
It pays to intervene in the early stages of a person's life, both for the individual and for society.
 

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See Boston Review — James J. Heckman: Promoting Social Mobility

Heckman's research provides convincing arguments that early childhood education yields excellent results for disadvantaged communities in contrast to interventions at a later age,such as remedial education for teenagers,adult literacy programmes and rehabilitation for prisoners. Quality of parenting,not just low incomes,deserves more attention in the assessment of childhood disadvantage.

Despite hard economic times,it would be extremely harmful to Irish society if the government were to cut support for early childhood education for the disadvantaged. Figures for Hispanic and AfroAmerican minorities in the US show that three quarters of youth do not complete High School,a social disaster surely.
Now theres the key - how do we achieve that because all the money in the world won't fix the problem if we don't tackle the root cause.
 

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See Boston Review — James J. Heckman: Promoting Social Mobility

Heckman's research provides convincing arguments that early childhood education yields excellent results for disadvantaged communities in contrast to interventions at a later age,such as remedial education for teenagers,adult literacy programmes and rehabilitation for prisoners. Quality of parenting,not just low incomes,deserves more attention in the assessment of childhood disadvantage.

Despite hard economic times,it would be extremely harmful to Irish society if the government were to cut support for early childhood education for the disadvantaged. Figures for Hispanic and AfroAmerican minorities in the US show that three quarters of youth do not complete High School,a social disaster surely.
Now theres the key - how do we achieve that because all the money in the world won't fix the problem if we don't tackle the root cause.
 

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Now theres the key - how do we achieve that because all the money in the world won't fix the problem if we don't tackle the root cause.
Parental education and free preschool for those who need it would be a start.
 

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See Boston Review — James J. Heckman: Promoting Social Mobility

Heckman's research provides convincing arguments that early childhood education yields excellent results for disadvantaged communities in contrast to interventions at a later age,such as remedial education for teenagers,adult literacy programmes and rehabilitation for prisoners. Quality of parenting,not just low incomes,deserves more attention in the assessment of childhood disadvantage.

Despite hard economic times,it would be extremely harmful to Irish society if the government were to cut support for early childhood education for the disadvantaged. Figures for Hispanic and AfroAmerican minorities in the US show that three quarters of youth do not complete High School,a social disaster surely.
Every primary teacher will tell you this but it's not so easy to convince politicians with short-term views and an eye for what is 'sexy'.

We should also raise the minimum age for leaving school and stop allowing children to be married.
 

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Completely disagree. The best help for children is to focus on the parents. Get the dads into work. Teach the mums proper hygiene and cooking (yes, pc people be upset by that one)

It is the really basic stuff that is lacking for the most disadvantaged kids in our society.
I think its a combination of both. But ensuring that children are being brought up in a safe, loving environment is key.
 

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Completely disagree. The best help for children is to focus on the parents. Get the dads into work. Teach the mums proper hygiene and cooking (yes, pc people be upset by that one)
Why not train the dads to cook and let the mothers work? - ffs

It is the really basic stuff that is lacking for the most disadvantaged kids in our society.
the LP has seen the light and is not making pompous populist noises about jobs and educaton anymore - :roll:

And it looks like patslatt has had a Damascus conversion - until tomorrow when normal (bashing) service is resumed.
 

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See Boston Review — James J. Heckman: Promoting Social Mobility

Heckman's research provides convincing arguments that early childhood education yields excellent results for disadvantaged communities in contrast to interventions at a later age,such as remedial education for teenagers,adult literacy programmes and rehabilitation for prisoners. Quality of parenting,not just low incomes,deserves more attention in the assessment of childhood disadvantage.

Despite hard economic times,it would be extremely harmful to Irish society if the government were to cut support for early childhood education for the disadvantaged. We don't want to emulate the US where figures for Hispanic and AfroAmerican minority youth show that three quarters of them do not complete High School,a social disaster surely.
What are you suggesting? pump more money into failed social programs?
 

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What are you suggesting? pump more money into failed social programs?
I hardly think that free pre-school education for those from disadvantaged backgrounds is a ''failed social program''.
 

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Now theres the key - how do we achieve that because all the money in the world won't fix the problem if we don't tackle the root cause.
Abortion services would help. The book Freakonomics provided convincing statistical proof that unwanted children receive poor parenting and are prone to high crime rates. It tracked teenage crime state to state in the US 14 to 18 years after abortion was legislated at different times in different states and found that crime rates had fallen sharply with a lag in line with the timing of abortion legislation.
 

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I hardly think that free pre-school education for those from disadvantaged backgrounds is a ''failed social program''.
Its Scandinavian style nannystate socialism, the country is bankrupt. If we want to help the disadvantaged we need to dramatically lower taxes on both individuals and private enterprise as well as abolishing all state mandated wage agreements such as the MW and JLC rates.
Welfare needs to be dramatically reformed so it becomes a targeted safety net for those genuinely in need and doesnt foster multigenerational dependancy.

The Welfare State We're In: Lessons from Zurich

In the article, James Bartholomew(the author) makes a comparison between Britain and Switzerland.

The boom in lone and unmarried parenting is one of the ways in which our own welfare state has damaged our society - not only the children involved but also the women and men. Of course I am not blaming all lone parents, only saying that the research shows it is a less than ideal way of bringing up children and the effects on the children are well-documented. In Britain, 46pc of our children are born out of wedlock. In Switzerland the figure is vastly lower at 16pc.

So what happens, I asked, if you are, say, a young mother in Switzerland with a little baby but no husband or similar on the scene and nowhere to live? There is no countrywide answer to this question because it is not dealt with on a national basis at all. It is not even dealt with by one of the 26 cantons. It is dealt with by your local commune. There are 2,900 of these and the population can be anything between 30 and over 10,000.
 

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Abortion services would help. The book Freakonomics provided convincing statistical proof that unwanted children receive poor parenting and are prone to high crime rates. It tracked teenage crime state to state in the US 14 to 18 years after abortion was legislated at different times in different states and found that crime rates had fallen sharply with a lag in line with the timing of abortion legislation.
The philosophy of extermination will also cure our overcrowded prisons, hospital waiting lists, pension crisis and unemployment problem.

What's not to like?
 

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Completely disagree. The best help for children is to focus on the parents. Get the dads into work. Teach the mums proper hygiene and cooking (yes, pc people be upset by that one)

It is the really basic stuff that is lacking for the most disadvantaged kids in our society.
Vocabularies of children vary enormously according to occupation,suggesting parental education is key to children's education,but it is usually to late for poorly educated disadvantaged parents to educate themselves.
 

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Its Scandinavian style nannystate socialism, the country is bankrupt. If we want to help the disadvantaged we need to dramatically lower taxes on both individuals and private enterprise as well as abolishing all state mandated wage agreements such as the MW and JLC rates.
Welfare needs to be dramatically reformed so it becomes a targeted safety net for those genuinely in need and doesnt foster multigenerational dependancy.

The Welfare State We're In: Lessons from Zurich

In the article, James Bartholomew(the author) makes a comparison between Britain and Switzerland.
What are the crime rates in Scandinavian countries like? Or the poverty rate?
And you say the ''country is bankrupt'' and then go on to say that lowering taxes would both help these people and also not add to our economic problem. Hmm....
 

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Every primary teacher will tell you this but it's not so easy to convince politicians with short-term views and an eye for what is 'sexy'.

We should also raise the minimum age for leaving school and stop allowing children to be married.
What is the minimum age?
 

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What are the crime rates in Scandinavian countries like? Or the poverty rate?
And you say the ''country is bankrupt'' and then go on to say that lowering taxes would both help these people and also not add to our economic problem. Hmm....
Take a look at Malmo Sweden, the place is overrun with second and third generation immigrants attracted by the generous Swedish welfare state, in addition the likes of Norway is propped up on oil revenue and Finland is threatened with collapse if it doesnt make some serious reforms.

Are you aware of the crime rate in Switzerland?
 

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What is the minimum age?
It's 16 or three years secondary education for leaving school. It's 18 for marriage but some children leave school before the three years is up and get married well before 18.
It seems the law is an ass.
 

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