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Disillusioned democrat

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I recommend everyone read this article:

Colum Kenny: Irish Water shambles a sign of a deeper malaise in Irish society

It captures perfectly the shambles our politicians have created and seem happy to make us endure. It highlights that political inaction, incompetence, corruption or more likely a combination of all of the above, have created an environment of low expectations and matching performance from our leaders.

The current farce around the formation of a government has highlighted yet again that our politicians see politics as self-service as opposed to public service, and FG have been particularly disappointing in this respect.

As we head into a new era in Irish politics - either a minority government or a second election - it's imperative that people start to take politics seriously. I'm slowly losing the will to argue against people who say we get the government we deserve.
 


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I recommend everyone read this article:

Colum Kenny: Irish Water shambles a sign of a deeper malaise in Irish society

It captures perfectly the shambles our politicians have created and seem happy to make us endure. It highlights that political inaction, incompetence, corruption or more likely a combination of all of the above, have created an environment of low expectations and matching performance from our leaders.

The current farce around the formation of a government has highlighted yet again that our politicians see politics as self-service as opposed to public service, and FG have been particularly disappointing in this respect.

As we head into a new era in Irish politics - either a minority government or a second election - it's imperative that people start to take politics seriously. I'm slowly losing the will to argue against people who say we get the government we deserve.
The 'current farce' is entirely the work of the electorate. It's about time that we, the voters, grew up and realised that the politicians don't make us, we make them. We elect our reflection; we are responsible.
 

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I recommend everyone read this article:

Colum Kenny: Irish Water shambles a sign of a deeper malaise in Irish society

It captures perfectly the shambles our politicians have created and seem happy to make us endure. It highlights that political inaction, incompetence, corruption or more likely a combination of all of the above, have created an environment of low expectations and matching performance from our leaders.
Funny, I thought it was a superficial cut and paste of current media priorities, not a single original thought or solution to be seen.
 

wombat

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I'm slowly losing the will to argue against people who say we get the government we deserve.
We have just elected 158 TDs but it seems we would be lucky to find 60 willing to serve in govt. We may not get the govt we deserve but its a consequence of who we choose to elect.
 

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The 'current farce' is entirely the work of the electorate. It's about time that we, the voters, grew up and realised that the politicians don't make us, we make them. We elect our reflection; we are responsible.
12 months ago I would have argued against that point....now I'm not as sure.

I still believe politicians take advantage of gaps in the message voters send them - I believe FG were decimated because of the sleaze and corruption surrounding NAMA sweet deals and Denis O'Brien, maybe the kack handed approach to establishing IW, but not fundamentally for austerity (aka living within our means), but the media and everyone else has ascribed it to IW, letting FF try to out trump SF in being more socialist.
 

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The 'current farce' is entirely the work of the electorate.
In 2011, the electorate gave FG/Lab the biggest mandate in the history of the state.

FG/Lab responded by handing the keys of the state over to Denis O'Brien, the protected elites and foreign hedge funds.
 

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The 'current farce' is entirely the work of the electorate. It's about time that we, the voters, grew up and realised that the politicians don't make us, we make them. We elect our reflection; we are responsible.
Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

We vote for the gobsheens who are presented to us at the Election - So, vote for one of them, don't vote at all, spoil your vote - That's the choice we are given, which isn't much at any Election.

Don't blame the Electorate for trying to send a message out there, a message that many haven't "got"!
 

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In 2011, the electorate gave FG/Lab the biggest mandate in the history of the state.

FG/Lab responded by handing the keys of the state over to Denis O'Brien, the protected elites and foreign hedge funds.
I believe in the fullness of time this last government will go down in history as the most corrosive in Irish history. The previous FF led governments had an incompetent and corrupt leader in Bertie Ahern and sowed the seeds of destruction, but FG were far too eager to reap what FF sowed and continue the pillage.

FF may have believed they were just taking the cream from an overflowing churn, but FG knew the churn was empty and still made the majority of people people suffer while enriching the very few, and worse, did it in full view.
 
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Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

We vote for the gobsheens who are presented to us at the Election - So, vote for one of them, don't vote at all, spoil your vote - That's the choice we are given, which isn't much at any Election.

Don't blame the Electorate for trying to send a message out there, a message that many haven't "got"!
I do think a second election NOW is preferable to the politicians trading on an "ambiguous" mandate for the next 3 years.

We've effectively given the country back to the party that devastated the country in the first place, albeit by pulling the strings on the puppet minority government to be led, it seems by the most incompetent politician (yet revered as the "father of the house" by many).
 

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Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

We vote for the gobsheens who are presented to us at the Election - So, vote for one of them, don't vote at all, spoil your vote - That's the choice we are given, which isn't much at any Election.

Don't blame the Electorate for trying to send a message out there, a message that many haven't "got"!
Parties put forward candidates of a certain kind because experience tells them that those people will win votes.
 

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Parties put forward candidates of a certain kind because experience tells them that those people will win votes.
Which is why it's all going pear shaped for said parties - People don't vote history any more!
 

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A new election solved nothing - maybe FG or FF will lose/gain bit of support & then back where we started with slightly different numbers.
That is the voters' choice, if they think their best interests are served by voting for TDs who do not want to form a govt., we will eventually pay a price in our pockets but eventually, the majority will choose parties which will govern. I suspect after another election we could see a new grouping of TDs willing to cooperate splitting from those who don't.
 

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A new election solved nothing - maybe FG or FF will lose/gain bit of support & then back where we started with slightly different numbers.
Perhaps but it would help focus minds on the possible and getting a deal done a whole lot more quickly but we'd know exactly what cards FF are going to play.
 

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Is the voting system not a big part of the problem? In the late 50s FF wanted PR abolished.
They tried twice. Generally not and it is a fairer system than FPTP but this is very new territory for all parties and they're demonstrating all the adult skills of a terrible twos child about it.
 

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Which is why it's all going pear shaped for said parties - People don't vote history any more!
People did. Apart from the Indos, everyone else elected was a candidate selected by a party.
 

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A new election solved nothing - maybe FG or FF will lose/gain bit of support & then back where we started with slightly different numbers.
A new election without the ridiculous ruling out of potential coalition partners would change everything.
 

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Parties put forward candidates of a certain kind because experience tells them that those people will win votes.
Probably not the thread and perhaps a tad unwarranted but Stats are you not the poster who told me some time ago that I would pay my water charges come hell or high water :) :)
 

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Probably not the thread and perhaps a tad unwarranted but Stats are you not the poster who told me some time ago that I would pay my water charges come hell or high water :) :)
You will. Eventually.
 


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