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Big protest marches in Paris against Gay Marriage plans - implications for campaigns in Ireland?


Dr Pat

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There was a very large rally today in Paris against French Government plans for the introduction of marriage between
homosexuals.

A report is available on the BBC Website: BBC News - Gay marriage opponents mass in Paris for final rally

However, even more interesting is the analysis provided by the BBC in an earlier article published on Jan 29 as to why
anti-gay marriage activists have been successful in getting out huge numbers for their cause.

Link here: BBC News - France's gay marriage fight

What lessons can both pro and anti-gay marriage campaigners in Ireland take from this mobilisation of large numbers of
people for retention of the status quo? Opinions, please.
 

Nemesiscorporation

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There was a very large rally today in Paris against French Government plans for the introduction of marriage between
homosexuals.

A report is available on the BBC Website: BBC News - Gay marriage opponents mass in Paris for final rally

However, even more interesting is the analysis provided by the BBC in an earlier article published on Jan 29 as to why
anti-gay marriage activists have been successful in getting out huge numbers for their cause.

Link here: BBC News - France's gay marriage fight

What lessons can both pro and anti-gay marriage campaigners in Ireland take from this mobilisation of large numbers of
people for retention of the status quo? Opinions, please.
The protestors were bussed in from all over France. The catholic church has really went all out on this, just as they did in Spain. Thing is, the French government never does what outside interests want it to do.

Gay marriage will probably pass easier in the French law making system now.
 

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The first thing one needs to do when comparing Ireland to marches elsewhere is to work out the proportions.

340k people out of 65 million is .5%, so an Irish equivalent would be roughly 25k or half as many people who protested the bailout in 2010 and the same amount who protested in Feb against Austerity.

So how do the Anti side get 25k in Ireland out? (I'm disregarding the Pros because they don't need to show up. They're winning in the polls and in the legislature). The problem in Ireland right now for the Antis is, as outlined in the Beeb article, the only continuous objections are from the horribly crippled church. They need a non religious face to lead them against this, to focus on the family as the core in the constitution etc etc.

Ultimately of course it won't matter. Marches very rarely matter. Polling matters. Polling influences decisions. The France number could be 350k, it could be 500k. The figures that matter is the 50+% who consistently say they're in favour of it in the polls.
 

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It was a protest organised by the Catholic Church and the French far right, of which the latter are many.

The likes of David Quinn think this something to be celebrated.

The mind absolutely boggles.
 

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'Not so Gay Pari', would have been a better thread title.
Non Gay Parasan, even better surely.

And I agree with Sync in that the pro's don't need to stage protests or shows of support they'll just turn up at the polls or they won't
 

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Non Gay Parasan, even better surely.

And I agree with Sync in that the pro's don't need to stage protests or shows of support they'll just turn up at the polls or they won't
What Poll?

The French Politicians get to decide this

- not the French People...:?
 

eoghanacht

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What Poll?

The French Politicians get to decide this

- not the French People...:?
You mean the French Politicians elected by

-The French people

:eek:
 

Catalpast

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You mean the French Politicians elected by

-The French people

:eek:
In case you have noticed the gap between Politicians interests

- and that of the People they supposedly represent

- is an ever widening one...

There, here and everywhere....
 

ocianain

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The tide is turning, when the French are in the streets protesting left wing political activities, the world is turned upside down. This is significant.
 

Sync

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What Poll?

The French Politicians get to decide this

- not the French People...:?
The french people voted for people who very clearly and explicitly promised to do it. Hollande committed to it in his presidential run. His party had it as a policy during parliamentary elections.

Poll shows 63 percent of French back gay marriage | Reuters

The number of people who support the legalization of same-sex marriage in France has risen despite major protests against the government's planned reforms earlier this month, a new poll by Ifop for news website Atlantico.fr showed.

The proportion of those surveyed supporting the change in the law rose to 63 percent from 60 percent in early January and December.
 

eoghanacht

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In case you have noticed the gap between Politicians interests

- and that of the People they supposedly represent

- is an ever widening one...

There, here and everywhere....

You say that

- like it comes as a surprise

-Unless you have evidence of someone who ran on an anti-gay marriage platform but has come out in support after winning their parliamentary seat.

-Why do you insist on itemizing points.

-There's really no need.
 

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There was a very large rally today in Paris against French Government plans for the introduction of marriage between
homosexuals.

A report is available on the BBC Website: BBC News - Gay marriage opponents mass in Paris for final rally

However, even more interesting is the analysis provided by the BBC in an earlier article published on Jan 29 as to why
anti-gay marriage activists have been successful in getting out huge numbers for their cause.

Link here: BBC News - France's gay marriage fight

What lessons can both pro and anti-gay marriage campaigners in Ireland take from this mobilisation of large numbers of
people for retention of the status quo? Opinions, please.

It's difficult to draw any direct links between the French case, and the campaign for marriage equality in Ireland, since we will most likely end up having a referendum, rather than simply passing a law. These kinds of protests would be more effective in a referendum context, given that opponents of marriage equality will be more enthusiastic than supporters in general. In the French context, the protests are futile, and future generations will look back on them with embarrassement at best, and shame at worst.
 

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Some family values on show on that march today:

FRANCE: Paris Hate March Turns Violent, Riot Police Use Tear Gas On Protesters

The Local reports that today's hate march in Paris turned violent when a group of protesters attempted to march down the off-limits Champs Elysees, prompting riot police to respond with tear gas.

100 to 200 frustrated protestors had reportedly attempted to breach a police barricade blocking them from entering the Champs Elysees. In response, riot police forcibly pushed them back from the fences, as well as spraying them with tear gas. Jean-François Copé, leader of the centre-right opposition UMP party, who was present at the protest, called for President Hollande to be "held to account", and expressed his "indignation" that tear gas had been deployed "against families present with their children."
Source: Joe My God - FRANCE: Paris Hate March Turns Violent, Riot Police Use Tear Gas On Protesters




Via John Aravosis, here's the caption for the above photo:

“On met les enfants devant, on met les enfants devant.” TRANSLATION: “Put the kids in front, put the kids in front,” a father yells to other protesters, as he approached the police line with his three year old child perilously perched on his shoulders right after the police used tear gas and batons, telling the protesters to back up.

Aravosis notes that the French public has been swift with their denouncement of using toddlers as human shields.
Source: Joe My God - On Met Les Enfants Devant
 

Dr Pat

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It appears that support for Gay marriage proposals is falling in recent French polls although apparently there is a majority in favour but it seems the tide is beginning to turn against this.
 

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and future generations will look back on them with embarrassement at best, and shame at worst.
Not everyone shares your left wing views. Many people dislike the condescending cappuccino liberal arrogance that those who disagree with them are swivel eyed religious fanatics.
 

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