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Bishops finally make statement on Savita case


QuizMaster

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The Irish Catholic Bishops; Conference has said:
"...there was a moral distinction between “the direct and intentional destruction of an unborn baby” and medical treatments which do not intentionally seek to end the life of the unborn. The bishops said current law and medical guidelines in Ireland allow nurses and doctors in Irish hospitals to apply this distinction in practice while upholding the equal right to life of both a mother and her unborn baby."

Full story here:
Treatment that risks foetus can be 'ethically permissible' - Catholic bishops - RT News

I have a couple of things to say about this:
(1) The bishops are not lawmakers.
(2) The bishops are not doctors.
(3) The attitude shown in this statement is exactly what guided doctors to fail to treat Savita. After all they would have had to kill the foetus.
(4) The bishops can f*** off. Specifically, they can f off back to school. They should be sitting down and learning, not teaching. How the hell did THEY become experts on health during pregnancy? They of all people know nothing on that particular subject, I would have thought.

Grrr. End of rant.

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The Irish Catholic Bishops; Conference has said:
"...there was a moral distinction between “the direct and intentional destruction of an unborn baby” and medical treatments which do not intentionally seek to end the life of the unborn. The bishops said current law and medical guidelines in Ireland allow nurses and doctors in Irish hospitals to apply this distinction in practice while upholding the equal right to life of both a mother and her unborn baby."

Full story here:
Treatment that risks foetus can be 'ethically permissible' - Catholic bishops - RT News

I have a couple of things to say about this:
(1) The bishops are not lawmakers.
(2) The bishops are not doctors.
(3) The attitude shown in this statement is exactly what guided doctors to fail to treat Savita. After all they would have had to kill the foetus.
(4) The bishops can f*** off. Specifically, they can f off back to school. They should be sitting down and learning, not teaching. How the hell did THEY become experts on health during pregnancy? They of all people know nothing on that particular subject, I would have thought.

Grrr. End of rant.
So the doctors and nurses have to have a debate on the finer points of the double-effect delusion before they treat a woman? This is the best argument for legislation that has been presented to date.
 

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Indeed I don't expect the doctors and nurses to make legal decisions. I expect them to make medical decisions, and yes with the legislation in place to help them along. I expect the bishops to make neither. Maybe they could tell us how many angels are in the heavenly choir and so forth. Stick to the stuff they know.
 

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I have a couple of things to say about this:
(1) The bishops are not lawmakers.
(2) The bishops are not doctors.
(3) The attitude shown in this statement is exactly what guided doctors to fail to treat Savita. After all they would have had to kill the foetus.
(4) The bishops can f*** off. Specifically, they can f off back to school. They should be sitting down and learning, not teaching. How the hell did THEY become experts on health during pregnancy? They of all people know nothing on that particular subject, I would have thought.
Eh, then why have the Pro-Choice brigade spent the last week wailing "why haven't the cruel heartless Catholic hierarchy seen fit to comment??"

It's the same old thing with the Church. Trash them when they speak out, trash them when they stay silent.
 

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Its no longer an issue on abortion it is about Medical Negligence. Wake up and smell the coffee.
 

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They could comment by apologising and promising never again to claim any expertise in women's health.
 

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The Irish Catholic Bishops; Conference has said:
"...there was a moral distinction between “the direct and intentional destruction of an unborn baby” and medical treatments which do not intentionally seek to end the life of the unborn. The bishops said current law and medical guidelines in Ireland allow nurses and doctors in Irish hospitals to apply this distinction in practice while upholding the equal right to life of both a mother and her unborn baby."

Full story here:
Treatment that risks foetus can be 'ethically permissible' - Catholic bishops - RT News

I have a couple of things to say about this:
(1) The bishops are not lawmakers.
(2) The bishops are not doctors.
(3) The attitude shown in this statement is exactly what guided doctors to fail to treat Savita. After all they would have had to kill the foetus.
(4) The bishops can f*** off. Specifically, they can f off back to school. They should be sitting down and learning, not teaching. How the hell did THEY become experts on health during pregnancy? They of all people know nothing on that particular subject, I would have thought.

Grrr. End of rant.
Irish citizens have a right to express their opinions about the laws of Ireland. The lawmakers of Ireland have a right to ignore them or to respond to their concerns.

Who gave you the right to dictate what Catholic bishops (or anyone else) should be doing?
 
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QuizMaster

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Irish citizens have a right to express their opinions about the laws of Ireland. The lawmakers of Ireland have a right to inore them or to respond to their concerns.

Who gave you the right to dictate what Catholic bishops (or anyone else) should be doing?
Hey I'm just exercising my right here. I'm not trying to gag the bishops, just to offer a critique. They seem to think they are experts in both law and medicine. I am suggesting otherwise.
 

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The Irish Catholic Bishops; Conference has said:
"...there was a moral distinction between “the direct and intentional destruction of an unborn baby” and medical treatments which do not intentionally seek to end the life of the unborn. The bishops said current law and medical guidelines in Ireland allow nurses and doctors in Irish hospitals to apply this distinction in practice while upholding the equal right to life of both a mother and her unborn baby."

Full story here:
Treatment that risks foetus can be 'ethically permissible' - Catholic bishops - RT News

I have a couple of things to say about this:
(1) The bishops are not lawmakers.
(2) The bishops are not doctors.
(3) The attitude shown in this statement is exactly what guided doctors to fail to treat Savita. After all they would have had to kill the foetus.
(4) The bishops can f*** off. Specifically, they can f off back to school. They should be sitting down and learning, not teaching. How the hell did THEY become experts on health during pregnancy? They of all people know nothing on that particular subject, I would have thought.

Grrr. End of rant.
Few people care what "The Irish Catholic Bishops Conference" says about anything.

Don't give their rantings the oxygen of publicity.
 

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Rant is certainly the word for it.
 

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Few people care what "The Irish Catholic Bishops Conference" says about anything.

Don't give their rantings the oxygen of publicity.
Yeah well you know I can't bottle it up forever. You can ignore most of my post. Mainly I just wanted to say grrr.
 

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Hey I'm just exercising my right here. I'm not trying to gag the bishops, just to offer a critique. They seem to think they are experts in both law and medicine. I am suggesting otherwise.
Are you an expert in either law or medicine? When did people who are not experts on law lose the right to have opinions as to what the law should be on any subject? One of the good/bad things about democracy is that people have a right to vote even on subjects about which they know nothing.
 
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Are you an expert in either law or medicine? When did people who are not experts on law lose the right to have opinions as to what the law should be on any subject? One of the good/bad things about democracy is that people have a right to vote even on subjects about they know nothing.
Are we not entitled to comment on the RCC's stated position?
 

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Who gives a monkeys what snake oil salesmen have to say?
 

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Irish citizens have a right to express their opinions about the laws of Ireland. The lawmakers of Ireland have a right to inore them or to respond to their concerns.

Who gave you the right to dictate what Catholic bishops (or anyone else) should be doing?
It should be pointed out that while the individual bishops maybe Irish citizens when they speak they speak for the Roman Catholic Church which is not Irish at all and is based in the Vatican City and should have no say in Irish affairs, especially as it had far, far too much say in the past!!
 

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Are you an expert in either law or medicine? When did people who are not experts on law lose the right to have opinions as to what the law should be on any subject? One of the good/bad things about democracy is that people have a right to vote even on subjects about they know nothing.
The difference is I don't claim to be an expert or an authority in these matters, unlike the roman catholic church.
 
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