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Blaming religion instead of pointing the finger at your own culture


frequency

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Many ills in Ireland are attributed to the Catholic church, from the Magdalena laundries, paedophiles, abortion, poverty, etc., . It's my opinion that that blame culture is horse************************ and simply denial: local irish culture is to blame for these, not the church. Half of the Netherlands, half of Germany and half of Switzerland are catholic.

There is some completely messed up thinking that I keep reading here, an anti-church bigotry. The exclusion of prostitutes from the legislative debate is another example; just like Sweden which is trying to run a country based entirely on moral principles instead of actual reality. Why is Ireland doing these things? It is not the church, it is the actual Irish culture that does this.

Everything from abortion rights, suicide, paedophiles, high unemployment, crappy education is all blamed on the church. I am sick of it, because some of the wealthiest and most successful parts of continental europe are predominantly catholic. I am not particularly religious but the denial that so many wallow in to avoid having to actually effect change in society is unbelievable.

That's the end of my rant.
 

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The problem with your proposal, is that it will result in questions being asked about current sacred cows in Irish society.

Business interests, the corrupt institutional state, quangos, and even union careerists never get any form of introspection. It is all the RCC's fault. Therefore we don't need to spend any time getting upset about the corrupt business culture in this society. And no need to worry about rampant gombeenism in the institutional state.

The bust exposed a massively flawed value system, and it does not have much to do with the RCC. It is far deeper and far more sinister than we are prepared to acknowledge.

We are possibly afraid to come to deal with a sinister, superficial, and irresponsible culture within our own society.

In fact it might be possible to theorise that the sicknesses that we seen in the RCC in the past few decades, might be a result of a deeper malaise within our society.

And that many of the other sicknesses that we see in business, and in the media might be similarly evolved.
 
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Ribeye

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I don't blame the RCC for everything,

Just for the stuff they did,

Like imprisoning, beating, raping and murdering thousands of little kids, and the systematic cover up thereof,

It's ok to hate the church for that, right?
 

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Many ills in Ireland are attributed to the Catholic church, from the Magdalena laundries, paedophiles, abortion, poverty, etc., . It's my opinion that that blame culture is horse************************ and simply denial: local irish culture is to blame for these, not the church. Half of the Netherlands, half of Germany and half of Switzerland are catholic.

There is some completely messed up thinking that I keep reading here, an anti-church bigotry. The exclusion of prostitutes from the legislative debate is another example; just like Sweden which is trying to run a country based entirely on moral principles instead of actual reality. Why is Ireland doing these things? It is not the church, it is the actual Irish culture that does this.

Everything from abortion rights, suicide, paedophiles, high unemployment, crappy education is all blamed on the church. I am sick of it, because some of the wealthiest and most successful parts of continental europe are predominantly catholic. I am not particularly religious but the denial that so many wallow in to avoid having to actually effect change in society is unbelievable.

That's the end of my rant.
What is this 'local' or 'actual' Irish culture you're referring to that is to blame? Are you talking about the Gaelic language? Or traditional music? What are you saying?
 

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Half Nelson

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I don't blame the RCC for everything,

Just for the stuff they did,

Like imprisoning, beating, raping and murdering thousands of little kids, and the systematic cover up thereof,

It's ok to hate the church for that, right?
No it's not. Do you always blame the barrel for the rotten apples or is that just a lazy way to exercise your more primitive instincts?

Because if you do, then I presume you've burned your passport and emigrated to another planet. Have you?
 

Ribeye

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Question asked,

and firmly answered,

In just one page, very efficent,


“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”


― Denis Diderot
 

gerhard dengler

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A country that has managed to create three economic depressions (1950's, 1980's and 2008-whenever), certainly has deep rooted issues with accountability and more importantly changing behaviour to ensure non-repetition of the same mistakes............
 

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No it's not. Do you always blame the barrel for the rotten apples or is that just a lazy way to exercise your more primitive instincts?
I can blame the orchard owner for knowingly taking rotten apples and putting them into other barrels.
 

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This is Arter's Little Island.

How do we know ?

Because nowhere in the public discussion of Irish ineptitude, those our massive problem with the number one form of drug abuse, get any serious attention.

Roisin shortall was about to make an issue of it. And we seen what happened there.
 

Ribeye

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No it's not. Do you always blame the barrel for the rotten apples or is that just a lazy way to exercise your more primitive instincts?

Because if you do, then I presume you've burned your passport and emigrated to another planet. Have you?
An apple does not make a conscious decision to be an apple, or to get into the barrel, or to remain in it,
 

Half Nelson

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I can blame the orchard owner for knowingly taking rotten apples and putting them into other barrels.
An answer to an unasked question.
 

Half Nelson

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An apple does not make a conscious decision to be an apple, or to get into the barrel, or to remain in it,
I'm not hearing an answer, or a reason for burning the orchard.
 
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