BLM and the GAA

Buchaill Dana

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Interesting sub plot here.

John Mitchel was a rebel who was deported to the US where he became a particularly virulent racist and anti semite to the point he became a paid propagandist for the Confederacy. His opinion on slavery was so vicious it was even controversial then and there.

There are a number of GAA clubs named after him. In Newry, where he died, Castlebar, Ardee, Kilmacthomas and Camp.

Time for a rebrand? Should the GAA step in centrally? Or should clubs be allowed call themselves what they want, and make a statement like Kevin Lynch’s in Derry?

As an aside, the naming convention for older GAA clubs is interesting. With the exception of a few saints, all clubs named after historical figures are the male and generally the catholic side of history. Hundreds of Pearses, not one Connolly in Ireland. In 2020 is it time to move on?
 


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I think GAA clubs should be named after lefty mass murderers and dictators (same thing). I propose the Castlebar Castros, the Galway Guevaras, the Leitrim Lenins, the Stradbally Stalins and so on. Abroad, in our global pan-Celtic community we could have the Chatanooga Ceaucescus, the Pittsburg Pol Pots etc.
 

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Interesting sub plot here.

John Mitchel was a rebel who was deported to the US where he became a particularly virulent racist and anti semite to the point he became a paid propagandist for the Confederacy. His opinion on slavery was so vicious it was even controversial then and there.

There are a number of GAA clubs named after him. In Newry, where he died, Castlebar, Ardee, Kilmacthomas and Camp.

Time for a rebrand? Should the GAA step in centrally? Or should clubs be allowed call themselves what they want, and make a statement like Kevin Lynch’s in Derry?

As an aside, the naming convention for older GAA clubs is interesting. With the exception of a few saints, all clubs named after historical figures are the male and generally the catholic side of history. Hundreds of Pearses, not one Connolly in Ireland. In 2020 is it time to move on?
Don’t know should we be taken history lessons of you
 

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Interesting sub plot here.

John Mitchel was a rebel who was deported to the US where he became a particularly virulent racist and anti semite to the point he became a paid propagandist for the Confederacy. His opinion on slavery was so vicious it was even controversial then and there.
Lies against one of the greatest Irish men who ever lived. The point he made was that the slaves in the South were much better treated by their Masters who cared about both temporal and Spiritual welfare than were the wage slaves of the virtue signalling Quaker robber baron Capitalists in the North. He did not see slavery as intrinsically immoral that is true, but personally am I not sure that it is either in some cases. Lets say you have some moron who wastes all his free time playing computer games, doing drugs and abusing his body to pornography- such a character is incapable of giving dignity and meaning to his life, but those things could be supplied to it by him being enslaved to a person of quality through serving them.
 

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Nope.

What next? Affirmative action policies? Do we need more blacks playing our native sport to add to its diversity? Are county teams racist because they have very few if any non-Irish playing for them?
So you don't thing the GAA, who have less than half footballs playing numbers and hurling behind tennis in participation numbers should look to the new Irish for players?
 

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Interesting sub plot here.

John Mitchel was a rebel who was deported to the US where he became a particularly virulent racist and anti semite to the point he became a paid propagandist for the Confederacy. His opinion on slavery was so vicious it was even controversial then and there.

There are a number of GAA clubs named after him. In Newry, where he died, Castlebar, Ardee, Kilmacthomas and Camp.

Time for a rebrand? Should the GAA step in centrally? Or should clubs be allowed call themselves what they want, and make a statement like Kevin Lynch’s in Derry?

As an aside, the naming convention for older GAA clubs is interesting. With the exception of a few saints, all clubs named after historical figures are the male and generally the catholic side of history. Hundreds of Pearses, not one Connolly in Ireland. In 2020 is it time to move on?
The GAA will, as it usually does, when confronted by embarrassing aspects of its less savoury side, ignore the issue and do sweet FA.
That's how we usually do things in Ireland. Sweep them under the carpet.
Meanwhile another bastion of division on the island has launched its new away kit. It evokes a different past.
 

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So you don't thing the GAA, who have less than half footballs playing numbers and hurling behind tennis in participation numbers should look to the new Irish for players?
They should and do take in all kids. They do not need to be going looking for them though. If they want to play they can.

Please do not use the term 'new Irish' it is purely cringe.
 

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They should and do take in all kids. They do not need to be going looking for them though. If they want to play they can.

Please do not use the term 'new Irish' it is purely cringe.
So what are you on about? What was your diversity rant about?

Do you think a club named after a racist bigot are more or less likely to get new players?
 

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Zoo this thread.

Blame the GAA for slavery- I thought it was the British empire who shipped the slaves across the Atlantic.
Why has the Irish rugby song- "Irelands call" not a verse in Irish. Are they anti Gaelic language. Do they despise the Irish language?
Any answers to that one Buachaill dána.
 

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Zoo this thread.

Blame the GAA for slavery- I thought it was the British empire who shipped the slaves across the Atlantic.
Why has the Irish rugby song- "Irelands call" not a verse in Irish. Are they anti Gaelic language. Do they despise the Irish language?
Any answers to that one Buachaill dána.
Curry my yogurt
 

Buchaill Dana

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Zoo this thread.

Blame the GAA for slavery- I thought it was the British empire who shipped the slaves across the Atlantic.
Why has the Irish rugby song- "Irelands call" not a verse in Irish. Are they anti Gaelic language. Do they despise the Irish language?
Any answers to that one Buachaill dána.
Firstly, nobody is blaming slavery on the GAA. Stop being a snowflake.

The issue is a group of clubs named after a racist proponent of slavery.

Ask the rugby lads.
 

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Lies against one of the greatest Irish men who ever lived. The point he made was that the slaves in the South were much better treated by their Masters who cared about both temporal and Spiritual welfare than were the wage slaves of the virtue signalling Quaker robber baron Capitalists in the North. He did not see slavery as intrinsically immoral that is true, but personally am I not sure that it is either in some cases. Lets say you have some moron who wastes all his free time playing computer games, doing drugs and abusing his body to pornography- such a character is incapable of giving dignity and meaning to his life, but those things could be supplied to it by him being enslaved to a person of quality through serving them.
Wow, you actually typed that.
 

Buchaill Dana

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Wow, you actually typed that.
Its on ignore, but I took a look there.

Anyone whose initial reaction was against anything in my post needs to have a think if they want to be on its side.
 

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Firstly, nobody is blaming slavery on the GAA. Stop being a snowflake.

The issue is a group of clubs named after a racist proponent of slavery.

Ask the rugby lads.
Look regarding racism, apparently the first President of the USA, George Washington owned Slaves.
The US capital is named after him. Should the Americans now consider changing the name of their capital?
A lot of the wealth of cities like Liverpool and Bristol and even Dublin came from the Slave trade too.
But blame the GAA.
 


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