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BLM and the Nuclear family

silverharp

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One of the aims of the BLM is to undermine the principle of the nuclear family. The website doesn't say if they promote this disruption outside their community or not. Is it a sustainable principle ? by far the best structure for kids is a 2 parent family that raises kids to maturity and greater success depends of the attitudes of the parents towards education hard work etc. there have been no successful collective raising of kids in the modern world that I am aware of?
Are they on to something and Im just a dinosaur, or is it just some hippy dippy Marxism that dies out after a few years if anyone tried it.
It would seem more prudent that they celebrate the 2 parent family and try to get their single mother rate down from nearly 50% down to 20ish % which is the average that excludes black people. It might just have a bearing on some of their relative economic failure and rampant crime?


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We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable.
 


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Uh you will find both Upper Class English Catholic families nor Travellers do "nuclear families" as such yet they both have low rates of illegitimacy; they do Clans, so that you are not just marrying the individual but marrying into a wider family with which comes both rights and duties that go beyond an idea of a "nuclear couple".
 

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One of the aims of the BLM is to undermine the principle of the nuclear family. The website doesn't say if they promote this disruption outside their community or not. Is it a sustainable principle ? by far the best structure for kids is a 2 parent family that raises kids to maturity and greater success depends of the attitudes of the parents towards education hard work etc. there have been no successful collective raising of kids in the modern world that I am aware of?
Are they on to something and Im just a dinosaur, or is it just some hippy dippy Marxism that dies out after a few years if anyone tried it.
It would seem more prudent that they celebrate the 2 parent family and try to get their single mother rate down from nearly 50% down to 20ish % which is the average that excludes black people. It might just have a bearing on some of their relative economic failure and rampant crime?


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It's more to do with the idea of not limiting support to the nuclear family but including the extended family as well.

It mentions nothing of two-parent families.

Nuclear families that include just parents and children in one household are a very recent concept, especially in this country.
 

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Communities used to be a bunch of agricultural families that looked after each other. Then we got the market economy and the state, and only then the concept of the nuclear family (first use of term - 1947).

Understandable that black Americans don't trust markets nor state having been excluded from active participation in both at various points. That could be the basis of this communal approach to care, in which case it would be an interesting thing to see in action.
 

Cellachán Chaisil

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Communities used to be a bunch of agricultural families that looked after each other. Then we got the market economy and the state, and only then the concept of the nuclear family (first use of term - 1947).

Understandable that black Americans don't trust markets nor state having been excluded from active participation in both at various points. That could be the basis of this communal approach to care, in which case it would be an interesting thing to see in action.
Don't we already see it in action? Grandparents looking after grandchildren while parents are working?
 

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One of the aims of the BLM is to undermine the principle of the nuclear family. The website doesn't say if they promote this disruption outside their community or not. Is it a sustainable principle ? by far the best structure for kids is a 2 parent family that raises kids to maturity and greater success depends of the attitudes of the parents towards education hard work etc. there have been no successful collective raising of kids in the modern world that I am aware of?
Are they on to something and Im just a dinosaur, or is it just some hippy dippy Marxism that dies out after a few years if anyone tried it.
It would seem more prudent that they celebrate the 2 parent family and try to get their single mother rate down from nearly 50% down to 20ish % which is the average that excludes black people. It might just have a bearing on some of their relative economic failure and rampant crime?


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The reality is that a huge number of single mothers do exist in black communities so a more clann style collective approach to child rearing is more suitable to the reality. This is also becoming more and more the case for white people too. This is not anti-family, as the likes of gay marriage and abortion are, but is about extending the meaningfulness and benefit of the family.

That said, I would be suspicious of the motivations of BLM, given the Oligarch funding they are getting. The Oligarchs very definitely do have an anti-family and anti-human agenda.
 

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We already pretty much have that. Children aren't raised in isolation with their parents, they are raised by parents, adult relatives, their peers and the Kardashians.

From BLMs point of view though, they are doomed to failure. The problem is they can't get the average black man to commit resources to his family, how do they plan on getting the average black man to commit resources to a community of families to which he is not related?
 

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It's more to do with the idea of not limiting support to the nuclear family but including the extended family as well.

It mentions nothing of two-parent families.

Nuclear families that include just parents and children in one household are a very recent concept, especially in this country.
the backup of an extended family is not to be knocked but it is still predicated on the parents being the centre of the structure. the BLM summary doesnt address this, its like theyve said fk it, its a lost cause so try patch something together which seems flawed as an ideal
 

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the backup of an extended family is not to be knocked but it is still predicated on the parents being the centre of the structure. the BLM summary doesnt address this, its like theyve said fk it, its a lost cause so try patch something together which seems flawed as an ideal
They mentioned nothing about attacking two-parent families though.
 

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It takes a whole village to rear a child.
 

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the backup of an extended family is not to be knocked but it is still predicated on the parents being the centre of the structure. the BLM summary doesnt address this, its like theyve said fk it, its a lost cause so try patch something together which seems flawed as an ideal
Reckon you're reading too much into it. "Guiding Principles" are like a political party's "Our Vision" - nice, woolly, easy to back out of due to "other priorities". Let's revisit when we can see this sort of community in action.
 

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Communal raising of children is probably the norm across the world in most cultures and socio-economic layers, over many thousands of years.

This is the fundamental fallacy of modern "conservatives". The "ideals" and "traditions" they claim to love and want to defend are almost all very recent developments, in most cases being no older than the late 19thC and many only actually dating to the post-WWII period.

Can't be much of a "sacred tradition" if it falls apart within 3 generations, now can it?
 

silverharp

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Communal raising of children is probably the norm across the world in most cultures and socio-economic layers, over many thousands of years.

This is the fundamental fallacy of modern "conservatives". The "ideals" and "traditions" they claim to love and want to defend are almost all very recent developments, in most cases being no older than the late 19thC and many only actually dating to the post-WWII period.

Can't be much of a "sacred tradition" if it falls apart within 3 generations, now can it?
it depends on the goals. In the past making it to 18 was an achievement you would then learn a skill not based on intellect just time served and you had a small elite that ran things. Now to do any decent job you have to be groomed from the cradle to get through the various hurdles. It incentivises small families and a lot of resources poured into each kid which either requires2 average salaries or one parent usually the dad who brings in 3 or 4 times the average wage. It is worth asking how structures could change? but it has to answer living in a world where manual repetitive work is going the way of the dodo.
 

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One of the aims of the BLM is to undermine the principle of the nuclear family. The website doesn't say if they promote this disruption outside their community or not. Is it a sustainable principle ? by far the best structure for kids is a 2 parent family that raises kids to maturity and greater success depends of the attitudes of the parents towards education hard work etc. there have been no successful collective raising of kids in the modern world that I am aware of?
Are they on to something and Im just a dinosaur, or is it just some hippy dippy Marxism that dies out after a few years if anyone tried it.
It would seem more prudent that they celebrate the 2 parent family and try to get their single mother rate down from nearly 50% down to 20ish % which is the average that excludes black people. It might just have a bearing on some of their relative economic failure and rampant crime?


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
 

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Socratus O' Pericles

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is that one of that corrupt yoke Hillary's quotes .

It's an African quote so old its origins are lost in the mists of time. You know Africa? It's where the human race originated. In a very real way we are all Africans.
 

silverharp

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did it take off? is it applicable in a city? a Kibbutz depended on cherry picking small groups of idealistic people. there were similar hippy style communes around Europe but they broke apart due to infighting and high levels of child abuse. I believe in the USSR they tried living arrangements with communal kitchens but again cooperation broke down.
 

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