You're wasting your time, towel man is a lowlife shoneen with a pathological hatred of the northern nationalist community and indeed rejoices in their murder by British occupying forces. This yoke is the most vile self loathing type of Irish person you'll ever have the misfortune to encounter.How many people did brit 'soldiers' murder in Dresden?
Well over 100,000...
Are you now denying that there was a conflict?
Some of you continually call it a "war". Yet in this case you conveniently forget all about that.
When some IRA man is charged with offences, many of you bring up the conflict/war excuse, claiming that they can't have committed murder because they were soldiers in an army. You want such IRA men to walk free.
Charging this soldier is vindictive and an act of gross bad faith by the British government.
Such an action harms the peace process. It is certainly counterproductive.
Murder has not been proven yet.
Irish Republicans don't agree.
They start whining every time one of theirs is charged with something.
Take the case of John Downey. Shinners have continually complained about him even facing charges. They use the tired excuse that the peace process will be harmed by such prosecutions.
Nothing to do with my lot.
The issue is why Irish Republicans still claim that the events of that day took place outside the war that they claim was going on.
So was there a war on at the time or not?
2 policemen were murdered by the PIRA 3 days before the events of BS. That led to the tension going in to the day. Do you think that PIRA action didn't impact the thinking of the security forces going into that Sunday? PIRA men were out in that march on the Sunday, and rioters had planned to riot on the Sunday after the march. Was that not part of the war?
On that basis leaders further up the food chain within the PIRA should be held to account for what they ordered the PIRA members who carried out violence to do.
Bring the PIRA criminals to justice. They ordered the deaths of 1,500 people.
That's for a court to decide.
Irish Republicans on sites like this one always whine if unionists refer to some IR as a murderer. The first thing they will ask is if the person has been convicted of murder.
Why is it different in this case?
In the case of Ballymurphy some people were shot over 3 days during which there were ongoing gun battles between the PIRA and the security forces. They died in the crossfire.
Does a gun battle not count as being conflict-related?
Maybe it doesn't count in your mind because there are nationalist/republican casualties for you to use to make some shallow political point.
You're dragging those dead people through the gutter.
What was covered up?
Lots of loyalists were prosecuted too. Republicans did kill over 1,500 people after all. Don't you think it was logical to bring charges against republican perps? Some are saying that the BS soldiers should all be prosecuted now. If that makes sense to you then what was wrong with prosecuting loyalist and republican perps during the Troubles?
Many of the victims of the PIRA weren't combatants either, but people like you routinely excuse the killing of those people on the basis that "there was a war on, and civilians die in all wars". Where has that theory gone now?
The civilians that died in Ballymurphy were hit by crossfire during days of gun battles in the area. The PIRA didn't give a toss that civilians were likely to die due to them starting gun battles, but the PIRA went ahead and attacked anyway.
The current IR dissidents are not run by anyone else. They are Irish psychopaths like every other generation of Irish Republican terrorists.
The PIRA and their supporters continually say the same thing regarding PIRA attacks.
"Oh the PIRA men didn't mean to kill civilians" even though they had bombed a shopping street and killed civilians. The same excuse was used by those IRs who carried out the Omagh bombing.
The "Republican movement"? Do you mean the Provo Republican Movement there Mort?
The Provo RM sold out long ago, so now it is condemning behaviour that is exactly what they used to do during the Troubles.
If any people are traitors it is the Provo RM - they no longer believe in actual Irish Republicanism.
For Provo supporters it's one law for the PIRA and another rule for the British security forces.
SF/IRA was indeed the Roman Catholic version of ISIS.
38 times you refer to the PIRA, the Republican Movement and Irish Republicans, and that's a limited number of your posts on this thread. Which has what exactly to do with Bloody Sunday? (Please don't answer that).com because repeating a lie that often doesn't make it true.Why were civilians standing about outside a British Army base while gun battles were going on?
It was an anti-internment march.
Nothing to do with civil rights.
STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE BLOODY SUNDAY FAMILIESMany of them were rioters.
It was an illegal anti-internment march, followed by a riot organised by the IRA.
One of the "peaceful protesters" had been given nail bombs.
Well shooting unarmed civvies is pretty indefensible, but can be presented as "collateral damage" if you ignore the victims and praise the killers, it's the supremacist theocracy at work......degrading the rights of citizens, including their right to life, by changing the context and focus of opinion.The Defence minister’s comments today were he didn’t even make reference to the victims or their families is damning of this conservative government. Whether the tories like it or not, a British army uniform does not bestow a license to kill on those who wear it. They really are a horrid shower.
You really are an utter gobshite.
One of the "peaceful protesters" had been given nail bombs.
I wouldn't slag off anyone with the type of mental health issues that poster appears to have, and I suspect that alcohol may explain some of it, because even if it were true 'that SF/IRA was indeed the Roman Catholic version of ISIS', that has SFA to do with Bloody Sunday and the subject-matter of the OP. If you repeat a lie often enough it eventually becomes the truth as they say, and I think that poster has convinced themselves that Bloody Sunday was indeed organized by SF and not by the Civil Rights Movement, the gun battles they are alluding to took place and the British soldiers were shooting at "IRA Volunteers" and "rioters" and not at "peaceful protesters"..Jog on you disgusting individual, have you bought Martin any pints lately?
tell the truth .. do you think the IRA murderers should be held to account no better no worse exact same as soldier FNo Sir its how dare you troll a mass murder of innocent people on this island . You probably are not mentally capable of understanding your actions so best left alone to enjoy your misery .
tell the truth .. do you think the IRA murderers should be held to account no better no worse exact same as soldier F
While the police can’t submit the savile report, they can conduct interviews and gather their own ballistic reports independent of past inquiries. I assume they’ve done this and forwarded their evidence to the PPS. So with independent eye witness testimony and ballistic evidence it seems surprising that one soldier can be charged while others walk.The Saville report is not admissable as evidence. Reports from tribunals-as we know very well here in Ireland-can point to the direction criminal investigations can take, but they can not replace evidence gathered in such a way.
Many witnesses will be dead. And as far as I know no investigation was undertaken at the time as regards evidence that could be used in a murder trial. The one soldier who according to Savilke knew who F shot is also dead. Very helpful for F that. If I was cynical I might think that is a good reason for trying F by the British. Especially given what Bradley and others have said.While the police can’t submit the savile report, they can conduct interviews and gather their own ballistic reports independent of past inquiries. I assume they’ve done this and forwarded their evidence to the PPS. So with independent eye witness testimony and ballistic evidence it seems surprising that one soldier can be charged while others walk.
Gen Sir David Richard's comments as quoted by you were from the mentality of an occupying force. They would have felt threatened by the Civil Rights movement. This movement was aimed at correcting the gerrymandering that was condoned by the occupying forces - this was a civil rights issue and the Irish government would not have considered their support for the CR campaign as taking part in a war. I guess the Irish government were quickly brought to their senses when Taoiseach Lynch ordered the mobilisation of the Irish army directly after bloody Sunday, and half the trucks broke down on the way to the border.'Part of a war' - Gen Sir David Richards, a Northern Ireland veteran who rose to become the head of the UK's armed forces as chief of the defence staff, understands the pressures the paratroopers were under.
"Bloody Sunday was part of a war. These are warriors, soldiers who are going into a situation uncertain of what may happen next.'
[B]Relatives 4 Justice[/B] @[B]RelsForJustice[/B] 8- “The passage of time has made prosecutions difficult... but should not be used as blanket immunity.... There should be no new laws to protect state killers”
"I cannot accept your apology, but I will accept your resignation" - Frances Meehan, whose brother was killed by security forces in Northern Ireland, tells #cblive about her meeting with Northern Secretary .
I was talking about the current Irish government, due to the manner with which so many of them were 'outraged' one day by Bradley's comments, and the next day they were saying they weren't seeking her resignation and that it was time to 'move on', thus implying that Bloody Sunday and the Ballymurphy Massacre were conflict-related incidents, which tallies with the views of Gen David Richards. The admission by the British that they were involved in a war in Ireland is to be welcomed, obviously, but the civilians who were killed in the Ballymurphy Massacre and during Bloody Sunday, weren't victims of that war. The Irish government should have weighed in behind the relatives of the victims, but they wouldn't have appointed Drew Harris in the first place, if they gave a flying f-k about the victims or their relatives.
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It's certainly possible. One should not trust anything the British authorities (or their media factotums like Ruth Dudley Edwards) have to say about the conflict in Ireland. They orchestrated the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, ran the Glenanne Gang and assorted other Loyalist maniacs who slit Catholic throats and sowed death and destruction for decades. This is another reason why that chapter of history should be closed and all prosecutions should be taken off the table. Victims' families are given unfounded hope and then left devestated when the inevitable happens.Many witnesses will be dead. And as far as I know no investigation was undertaken at the time as regards evidence that could be used in a murder trial. The one soldier who according to Savilke knew who F shot is also dead. Very helpful for F that. If I was cynical I might think that is a good reason for trying F by the British. Especially given what Bradley and others have said.
I am on record here on many occasions stating that I wanted those responsible for the Bloody Sunday killings to be prosecuted. Although only one of them will be charged I'm glad that it is F, who I believe was the prime motivator in what occurred and the first one to open fire at the crowd.Is see the usual apologists have turned up - Harper should be along soon