Bombardier ruling is a disaster for Northern Ireland

Wascurito

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You know it's big when even the London-based media such as Sky News has this as a headline story.

Bombardier, one of Northern Ireland’s largest employers faces paying a masssive tariff on its exports of passenger jets to the US after losing the first stage of an international trade dispute.

Bombardier is Northern Ireland’s biggest hi-tech employer with more than 4,000 workers at its east Belfast plant. Probably 3-4 times that number of jobs rely on these jobs.

The US Department of Commerce decided in favour of Boeing in its legal battle with Bombardier, prompting fears in the province that aerospace jobs in the region could be in peril.

An interim tariff of nearly 220% has been proposed on sales of Bombardier’s C-Series jet to the US airline Delta.

However, the UK is heading towards the Brexit so it should all be okay. Freed from the shackles of the EU, Theresa May, Boris Johnson et al will be out there negotiating "fentestic" new trade deals so everything will be fine, right?

RTÉ News: US Commerce Department rules against Bombardier in trade row
 


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This is a preliminary ruling

- Boeing will have to show how they were left out of pocket as a result

But its ominous all the same...

I would say that the Bomber Boys Legal Eagles would need to be investigating the close links between the Seattle Skylarks and the US Military Industrial Complex

- and we will see who is flying in formation with whom exactly.....
 

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I don't think this ruling will stand, because the US like everyone else has to stick to WTO rules, so I don't think Bombadier's employees should panic yet. Its a bad sign of the prevailing attitude in Washington though.
 

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When Corbyn gets in I have strong hopes that he will bring Britain back to being the work shop of the world. We can trade with Russia, China and Iran which will allow us to turn our back on the Yanks who hate us (the founding myth of the USA is grounded in an evil hatred of Britain) and the increasingly decadent and dysfunctional EU.
 
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You know it's big when even the London-based media such as Sky News has this as a headline story.

Bombardier, one of Northern Ireland’s largest employers faces paying a masssive tariff on its exports of passenger jets to the US after losing the first stage of an international trade dispute.

Bombardier is Northern Ireland’s biggest hi-tech employer with more than 4,000 workers at its east Belfast plant. Probably 3-4 times that number of jobs rely on these jobs.

The US Department of Commerce decided in favour of Boeing in its legal battle with Bombardier, prompting fears in the province that aerospace jobs in the region could be in peril.

An interim tariff of nearly 220% has been proposed on sales of Bombardier’s C-Series jet to the US airline Delta.

However, the UK is heading towards the Brexit so it should all be okay. Freed from the shackles of the EU, Theresa May, Boris Johnson et al will be out there negotiating "fentestic" new trade deals so everything will be fine, right?

RTÉ News: US Commerce Department rules against Bombardier in trade row
I know you're being sarcastic about Brexit, but this sort of dispute is exactly where the united economic weight of the EU will be an incalculable loss to Britain generally. Quite possibly a sign of things to come. I don't imagine Trump is directly involved, but if his administration pushes hard in that direction, punishing tariffs may well become the norm.

They only "have to obey" WTO rules if the consequences of not doing so are painful enough to them. It's unclear that a trade war with Britain would be all that bad - and even less clear that the UK would really be prepared to wage one for the sake of jobs in NI.

When Corbyn gets I have strong hopes that he will bring Britain back to being the work shop of the world. We can trade with Russia, China and Iran which will allow us to turn our back on the Yanks who hate us (the founding myth of the USA is grounded in an evil of Britain) and the increasingly decadent and dysfunctional EU.
"Us", the British, that is then, right? :lol:

Much as I find your fantasy-scenario pleasing, I'm not too sure where to start with this. :rolleyes:
 

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"Us", the British, that is then, right? :lol:

Much as I find your fantasy-scenario pleasing, I'm not too sure where to start with this. :rolleyes:
Sorry I type very fast when I post on here and am often multitasking so I have a bad habit of leaving words out. The United States founding myth is a lie about how Britain was oppressing them when in fact it they were the British oppressing the First Nations and French (yes though the Dutch and Jewry were a part of the combination to) and they rebelled against London because London was trying to stop their evil barbarous treatment of the actual Native Americans.

A lot of Ulster folk consider themselves British- which you are aware of. Better to be part of an independent and Socialist prosperous UK than be under the jackboot of Washington and Brussels.
 

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Brexit?

It'll all be alright when there's an Irish Language Act.
That's clever Ray. IF you can't say anything constructive then fúck off.
The tories have walked to the edge of the cliff and have just discovered there is no net at the bottom.
So much for US being the saviour trading partners
 

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Bombardier is Northern Ireland’s biggest hi-tech employer with more than 4,000 workers at its east Belfast plant. Probably 3-4 times that number of jobs rely on these jobs.
"Labour MP Owen Smith, shadow secretary of state for Northern Ireland, has heavily criticised Theresa May’s government.

He says they were ‘criminally negligent’ for not persuading the US to reject Boeing’s claim.

Smith also points out that the decision suggests cracking a new trade deal with America after Brexit will be tough:"

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/sep/27/theresa-may-bitterly-disappointed-bombardier-trade-tariff-imf-world-economy-business-live?page=with:block-59cb5d7ae4b05acb2154414c#block-59cb5d7ae4b05acb2154414c


I hope this does not end badly but I am scared that to much government investment has gone into the plant in Belfast.
 

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Well if this comes to pass, you'd have to say ...

So much for the post Brexit "special relationship" with crazy boy Trumps US of A...

So much for the coalition of crackpots ..


This would be very very harmful if it transpires as is ...:? .... and even worse if it's a sign of things to come ..
 

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It world seem that Boeing have 'form'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing#Unethical_conduct

Industrial espionage and complaints about subsidies received from the US govt - that sounds very familiar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing#Subsidy_disputes

On September 15, 2010, the WTO ruled that Boeing had received billions of dollars in government subsidies.[81] Boeing responded by stating that the ruling was a fraction of the size of the ruling against Airbus and that it required few changes in its operations.[82] Boeing has received $8.7 billion in support from Washington state.[83]
 

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Well if this comes to pass, you'd have to say ...

So much for the post Brexit "special relationship" with crazy boy Trumps US of A...

So much for the coalition of crackpots ..


This would be very very harmful if it transpires as is ...:? .... and even worse if it's a sign of things to come ..
This will test Trumps America first policy , he has/will be getting a lot of lobbying off both the Canadian and UK governments to step in and curb Boeing's actions here. If he sticks to his America first policy he will do nothing to deter Boeing from putting Bombardier out of the game in the US market.
 

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Where are all the Bexiteers, this is the trade deals you can expect, Ray deflected to the ILA on auto pilot because he believes in a no holds barred free market.
Hello reality.
 

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Brexit?

It'll all be alright when there's an Irish Language Act.
Cracker, although rumination has it that the world will stap spinning if the shinflakers don't get ILA...
 

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Cracker, although rumination has it that the world will stap spinning if the shinflakers don't get ILA...
Bombardier's NI bos Michael Ryan sent a memo to his more than 5,000 strong workforce before the EU referendum, mostly based in Belfast, to say "it is better for our company that the UK remains within the EU". Nelson McCausland meanwhile was on BBC telling those same 5000 that it should be Brexit 'no matter what the consequences'.

The DUP is a party of absolute scum.
 

between the bridges

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Bombardier's NI bos Michael Ryan sent a memo to his more than 5,000 strong workforce before the EU referendum, mostly based in Belfast, to say "it is better for our company that the UK remains within the EU". Nelson McCausland meanwhile was on BBC telling those same 5000 that it should be Brexit 'no matter what the consequences'.

The DUP is a party of absolute scum.
Genuine question cara, do you actually think there is any link between brexit and the USA's decision...
 


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