Border in the Irish sea...... Boris says NO

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The EU will not tolerate any "backsliding" on the Northern Ireland part of the Brexit deal, a senior official has warned.
Stefaan de Rynck, advisor to EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier, was speaking at event in London.
On Wednesday the prime pinister again said goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland would have "unfettered access" after Brexit.
But Mr de Rynck said the UK had agreed to apply necessary checks on goods.
He added: "There are clear commitments on the UK which are legally binding and have to be implemented.
"We will not tolerate any backsliding or half measures on this. It is clear what needs to be done by both sides and we will stick to that."
The Brexit deal will mean that Northern Ireland will continue to follow EU rules on agricultural and manufactured goods, while the rest of the UK will not.

Additionally, the whole of the UK will leave the EU's customs union but Northern Ireland will continue to enforce the EU's customs code at its ports.
This means some new checks and processes for goods moving between Northern Ireland and other parts of the UK.

These can only be avoided if the UK decides it wants a closer relationship with the EU than is currently being proposed by the government.
The nature and extent of any checks will only become clear near the end of a one year transition period which expires at the end of 2020.
There will be no immediate changes to trade processes after Brexit day on 31 January.
On Wednesday, the prime minister gave an "emphatic" assurance to the DUP's Sir Jeffrey Donaldson about unfettered trade.
Sir Jeffrey said that needed to be followed by action.
"Recently all Northern Ireland parties tabled an amendment to the Withdrawal Bill which could have put that commitment into action.
"Whist the government did not accept that amendment at the time it is now incumbent upon them to ensure that the commitments are now delivered upon."



Does anyone believe anything that Boris says???
 


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The EU will not tolerate any "backsliding" on the Northern Ireland part of the Brexit deal, a senior official has warned.
Stefaan de Rynck, advisor to EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier, was speaking at event in London.
On Wednesday the prime pinister again said goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland would have "unfettered access" after Brexit.
But Mr de Rynck said the UK had agreed to apply necessary checks on goods.
He added: "There are clear commitments on the UK which are legally binding and have to be implemented.
"We will not tolerate any backsliding or half measures on this. It is clear what needs to be done by both sides and we will stick to that."
The Brexit deal will mean that Northern Ireland will continue to follow EU rules on agricultural and manufactured goods, while the rest of the UK will not.

Additionally, the whole of the UK will leave the EU's customs union but Northern Ireland will continue to enforce the EU's customs code at its ports.
This means some new checks and processes for goods moving between Northern Ireland and other parts of the UK.

These can only be avoided if the UK decides it wants a closer relationship with the EU than is currently being proposed by the government.
The nature and extent of any checks will only become clear near the end of a one year transition period which expires at the end of 2020.
There will be no immediate changes to trade processes after Brexit day on 31 January.
On Wednesday, the prime minister gave an "emphatic" assurance to the DUP's Sir Jeffrey Donaldson about unfettered trade.
Sir Jeffrey said that needed to be followed by action.
"Recently all Northern Ireland parties tabled an amendment to the Withdrawal Bill which could have put that commitment into action.
"Whist the government did not accept that amendment at the time it is now incumbent upon them to ensure that the commitments are now delivered upon."



Does anyone believe anything that Boris says???
Short answer.

No.

If he told me the sky was blue I'd check myself. Hes a bluffer. Hes been a bluffer his entire life and now an entire nation is about to see what happens when a bluff is called.
 

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Does anyone believe anything that Boris says???

No. But just as we were half in and half out of britain, they will be half in and half out of the eu.

It's all part of the circle of cosmic unconsciousness.
 

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The DUP amendments have not been accepted. I think the bill is now law.

It is possible to square some of these circles, depending on how the agreement is implemented. The underlying issue is to avoid creating new incentives for smuggling between NI and the EU. That is why NI is to remain within the customs arrangements in the withdrawal agreement unless the NI Assmbly votes to leave them.

So we must be vigilante to ensure there is no backsliding.
 

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Short answer.

No.

If he told me the sky was blue I'd check myself. Hes a bluffer. Hes been a bluffer his entire life and now an entire nation is about to see what happens when a bluff is called.


He comes across to me as a dithering old fool and all folk of good sense should not listen to a word that comes out of his piehole.
 

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The Conservative and Unionist party will put the border in the Irish Sea and will slap the face of the Real Unionists or Continuty Unionist of the DUP-
 

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Well soon ROI may have its own bulsh*tting populist leader so there's no escape really.
 

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Like Bill Clinton and his idea of sexual relations, unfettered is open to interpretation, or in this case, Boris Johnson’s interpretation.

Regardless, the border will be mounted and checks carried out at ports and airports across the Irish Sea.
 

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The EU will not tolerate any "backsliding" on the Northern Ireland part of the Brexit deal, a senior official has warned.
Stefaan de Rynck, advisor to EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier, was speaking at event in London.
On Wednesday the prime pinister again said goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland would have "unfettered access" after Brexit.
But Mr de Rynck said the UK had agreed to apply necessary checks on goods.
He added: "There are clear commitments on the UK which are legally binding and have to be implemented.
"We will not tolerate any backsliding or half measures on this. It is clear what needs to be done by both sides and we will stick to that."
The Brexit deal will mean that Northern Ireland will continue to follow EU rules on agricultural and manufactured goods, while the rest of the UK will not.

Additionally, the whole of the UK will leave the EU's customs union but Northern Ireland will continue to enforce the EU's customs code at its ports.
This means some new checks and processes for goods moving between Northern Ireland and other parts of the UK.

These can only be avoided if the UK decides it wants a closer relationship with the EU than is currently being proposed by the government.
The nature and extent of any checks will only become clear near the end of a one year transition period which expires at the end of 2020.
There will be no immediate changes to trade processes after Brexit day on 31 January.
On Wednesday, the prime minister gave an "emphatic" assurance to the DUP's Sir Jeffrey Donaldson about unfettered trade.
Sir Jeffrey said that needed to be followed by action.
"Recently all Northern Ireland parties tabled an amendment to the Withdrawal Bill which could have put that commitment into action.
"Whist the government did not accept that amendment at the time it is now incumbent upon them to ensure that the commitments are now delivered upon."



Does anyone believe anything that Boris says???
That a very senior EU official, on a visit to London, makes an explicit statement that " But Mr de Rynck said the UK had agreed to apply necessary checks on goods. He added: "There are clear commitments on the UK which are legally binding and have to be implemented.
"We will not tolerate any backsliding or half measures on this. It is clear what needs to be done by both sides and we will stick to that."
The Brexit deal will mean that Northern Ireland will continue to follow EU rules on agricultural and manufactured goods, while the rest of the UK will not."

The EU will not tolerate any "backsliding" on the Northern Ireland part of the Brexit deal, a senior official has warned.
Stefaan de Rynck, advisor to EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier, was speaking at event in London.
On Wednesday the prime pinister again said goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland would have "unfettered access" after Brexit.
But Mr de Rynck said the UK had agreed to apply necessary checks on goods.
He added: "There are clear commitments on the UK which are legally binding and have to be implemented.
"We will not tolerate any backsliding or half measures on this. It is clear what needs to be done by both sides and we will stick to that."
The Brexit deal will mean that Northern Ireland will continue to follow EU rules on agricultural and manufactured goods, while the rest of the UK will not.

Additionally, the whole of the UK will leave the EU's customs union but Northern Ireland will continue to enforce the EU's customs code at its ports.
This means some new checks and processes for goods moving between Northern Ireland and other parts of the UK.

These can only be avoided if the UK decides it wants a closer relationship with the EU than is currently being proposed by the government.
The nature and extent of any checks will only become clear near the end of a one year transition period which expires at the end of 2020.
There will be no immediate changes to trade processes after Brexit day on 31 January.
On Wednesday, the prime minister gave an "emphatic" assurance to the DUP's Sir Jeffrey Donaldson about unfettered trade.
Sir Jeffrey said that needed to be followed by action.
"Recently all Northern Ireland parties tabled an amendment to the Withdrawal Bill which could have put that commitment into action.
"Whist the government did not accept that amendment at the time it is now incumbent upon them to ensure that the commitments are now delivered upon."



Does anyone believe anything that Boris says???
That a very senior EU official, on a visit to London, makes an explicit statement that " ..UK had agreed to apply necessary checks on goods. He added: "There are clear commitments on the UK which are legally binding and have to be implemented, adding that "We will not tolerate any backsliding or half measures on this. It is clear what needs to be done by both sides and we will stick to that. The Brexit deal will mean that Northern Ireland will continue to follow EU rules on agricultural and manufactured goods, while the rest of the UK will not." is telling. The EU would not make such a statement unless there is a concern that Boris is already backsliding on a treary commitment.
 

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That a very senior EU official, on a visit to London, makes an explicit statement that " But Mr de Rynck said the UK had agreed to apply necessary checks on goods. He added: "There are clear commitments on the UK which are legally binding and have to be implemented.
"We will not tolerate any backsliding or half measures on this. It is clear what needs to be done by both sides and we will stick to that."
The Brexit deal will mean that Northern Ireland will continue to follow EU rules on agricultural and manufactured goods, while the rest of the UK will not."


That a very senior EU official, on a visit to London, makes an explicit statement that " ..UK had agreed to apply necessary checks on goods. He added: "There are clear commitments on the UK which are legally binding and have to be implemented, adding that "We will not tolerate any backsliding or half measures on this. It is clear what needs to be done by both sides and we will stick to that. The Brexit deal will mean that Northern Ireland will continue to follow EU rules on agricultural and manufactured goods, while the rest of the UK will not." is telling. The EU would not make such a statement unless there is a concern that Boris is already backsliding on a treary commitment.

Yes, his carry-on reminds me of Dev wrangling away in the 1930s to turn a free state into more of a republic, but not quite. Cue protests from unionists, but the half-wrangle worked in terms of neutrality. It did not work in terms of the economy, and Dev ended up with a smaller population in the 1950s.

Behind the easy bojo jokes, and casting blame, we need to see exactly where his policy is loose, and where he is tight, and take advantage. If there's a paperwork problem with the eu, we'll blame bojo.

Should it be any more complicated?
 

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The EU will not tolerate any "backsliding" on the Northern Ireland part of the Brexit deal, a senior official has warned.
Stefaan de Rynck, advisor to EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier, was speaking at event in London.
On Wednesday the prime pinister again said goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland would have "unfettered access" after Brexit.
But Mr de Rynck said the UK had agreed to apply necessary checks on goods.
He added: "There are clear commitments on the UK which are legally binding and have to be implemented.
"We will not tolerate any backsliding or half measures on this. It is clear what needs to be done by both sides and we will stick to that."
The Brexit deal will mean that Northern Ireland will continue to follow EU rules on agricultural and manufactured goods, while the rest of the UK will not.

Additionally, the whole of the UK will leave the EU's customs union but Northern Ireland will continue to enforce the EU's customs code at its ports.
This means some new checks and processes for goods moving between Northern Ireland and other parts of the UK.

These can only be avoided if the UK decides it wants a closer relationship with the EU than is currently being proposed by the government.
The nature and extent of any checks will only become clear near the end of a one year transition period which expires at the end of 2020.
There will be no immediate changes to trade processes after Brexit day on 31 January.
On Wednesday, the prime minister gave an "emphatic" assurance to the DUP's Sir Jeffrey Donaldson about unfettered trade.
Sir Jeffrey said that needed to be followed by action.
"Recently all Northern Ireland parties tabled an amendment to the Withdrawal Bill which could have put that commitment into action.
"Whist the government did not accept that amendment at the time it is now incumbent upon them to ensure that the commitments are now delivered upon."



Does anyone believe anything that Boris says???


Good question sir, does anyone really believe Boris will deliver the 350MIllion he promised to the NHS starting next Saturday?
 

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The new Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Brandon Lewis, has said there will be NO border in the Irish Sea.

"Our Prime Minister got that agreement open, got a new agreement. We've got it through parliament, we've left the European Union.

"And we're going to build for a better economy for the whole of the United Kingdom as one.

"We are absolutely clear. As a UK government, we will not be having a border down the Irish Sea."
The RTE Brussels reporter Tony Connolly says the British take the view that the Working Committee empowered to looked at the requirements is just a talking shop for further negotiation.

Perfidious Albion at its best! The EU cannot accept this, and the Working Committee's meetings will be short.

It also puts a hard border back on the table. Most unwelcome for the Irish Government - I am sure Mr Varadkar will be calling Mr Johnson, and Mr Coveney arranging a meeting with Mr Lewis.


 

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The new Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Brandon Lewis, has said there will be NO border in the Irish Sea.



The RTE Brussels reporter Tony Connolly says the British take the view that the Working Committee empowered to looked at the requirements is just a talking shop for further negotiation.

Perfidious Albion at its best! The EU cannot accept this, and the Working Committee's meetings will be short.

It also puts a hard border back on the table. Most unwelcome for the Irish Government - I am sure Mr Varadkar will be calling Mr Johnson, and Mr Coveney arranging a meeting with Mr Lewis.



Trade talks haven't even begun yet and already the Brits are punching holes in the lifeboat.

Anyway, after the Cabinet reshuffle it's only a matter of time before Boris is pulling knives out of his butt.
 

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Trade talks haven't even begun yet and already the Brits are punching holes in the lifeboat.

Anyway, after the Cabinet reshuffle it's only a matter of time before Boris is pulling knives out of his butt.
We can see why Julian Smith was fired ... he was his own man, and no doubt warned Johnson about this reckless move, with the ink hardly dry on the Withdrawal Agreement.

The danger is that it will have a knock-on effect within the the revived Assembly and Executive, as the DUP will support this announcement. The recovery of the Institutions was done with a backdrop of a solid Withdrawal Agreement, and now Northern Ireland businesses are plunged back into uncertainty, as are businesses in the Republic.
 

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Trade talks haven't even begun yet and already the Brits are punching holes in the lifeboat.

Anyway, after the Cabinet reshuffle it's only a matter of time before Boris is pulling knives out of his butt.
They can try - but the EU Withdrawal Agreement is already a stand alone international treaty.

The treaty is legally binding and England will be dragged before the European Court of Justice.

Just goes to show though what scum the English are - Perfidious Albion.

 

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We can see why Julian Smith was fired ... he was his own man, and no doubt warned Johnson about this reckless move, with the ink hardly dry on the Withdrawal Agreement.

The danger is that it will have a knock-on effect within the the revived Assembly and Executive, as the DUP will support this announcement. The recovery of the Institutions was done with a backdrop of a solid Withdrawal Agreement, and now Northern Ireland businesses are plunged back into uncertainty, as are businesses in the Republic.

Time will tell you that Brendan is even worse than all Brit SOS’s in the past put together..........I can assure you of that.😂
 

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They can try - but the EU Withdrawal Agreement is already a stand alone international treaty.

The treaty is legally binding and England will be dragged before the European Court of Justice.

Just goes to show though what scum the English are - Perfidious Albion.

It indicates that Brexit is still going to be a big issue for a long time to come.

There is going to be a cost to this country.

The media were, however, scoffing at how little it was an issue in the election.

Wait till this time next year.
 


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