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There is a shortage of 100 places for first year places between the 3 secondary schools and the feeder schools. Immense pressure on schools in Laois.
That's an astonishing figure.
 

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There is a shortage of 100 places for first year places between the 3 secondary schools and the feeder schools. Immense pressure on schools in Laois.
One wonders how many "new" irish were packed off to Portlaoise.......now the local kids can't get a school place.....oh how enriching !!!
 

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Is that the same case? According to the piece on RTE it concerns a Dubln school. The case referenced in the OP concerns a school in Porlaoise.
The one in Dublin involves travellers who just didn't bother applying by the deadline. They kicked up stink, cried "discrimination" and now got special treatment...
 

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There is a shortage of 100 places for first year places between the 3 secondary schools and the feeder schools. Immense pressure on schools in Laois.
So there are 99 other children in a similar situation. What is being done about them? Surely 100 kids aren't sitting at home this week?
 

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The one in Dublin involves travellers who just didn't bother applying by the deadline. They kicked up stink, cried "discrimination" and now got special treatment...
At least the kid is going to attend secondary school. A good thing surely.

They have a lot of hurdles to jump over before getting there. Lazy entitled parents being one of them maybe.

Paddy will be grand. If he stays there long enough. And I hope he does. Well done the school. Better to let them in than keep them out. Too much fodder for Pavee otherwise.
 

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At least the kid is going to attend secondary school. A good thing surely.

They have a lot of hurdles to jump over before getting there. Lazy entitled parents being one of them maybe.

Paddy will be grand. If he stays there long enough. And I hope he does. Well done the school. Better to let them in than keep them out. Too much fodder for Pavee otherwise.
Not if he's jumped the queue over others.
 

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Judging by today's back down ... If your a traveller you can apply or not bother filling in an entrance form ... The oul discrimination card has everyone running scared ....they can do what they want and never pay a bob !!
We should all be travellers get some other fool to pay for everything !!
 

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So there are 99 other children in a similar situation. What is being done about them? Surely 100 kids aren't sitting at home this week?
They are in the other schools in the county. I know kids traveling from near the Kildare border to Mountrath, passing 3 full schools on the way.
 

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We can't demand that rules are put in place and adhered to, and then complain when they are. Culturally we seem to have a very hard time accepting that rules - whether laws or lesser regulations - aren't something that are fuzzy around the edges. There is always an excuse offered and leniency or exception demanded. If we want to demand probity from everyone from politicians to travellers, then we have to accept that firm rules have hard edges, and that is a price worth paying.
Or we could just have rules that are flexible enough to allow for exceptions in cases where a student misses the deadline because his sister died.
 

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The one in Dublin involves travellers who just didn't bother applying by the deadline.
Didn't they claim not to know about the deadline?

You wouldn't be embellishing the facts because you're prejudiced against Travellers, would you?
 

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Schools have to stick rigidly to their enrollment policy or they will leave themselves open to action by unsuccessful applicants. While they might want to make ad hoc exceptions in the kind of circumstances detailed in the OP, the appeals board that would oversee this will not take this into account but will simply look at the enrollment policy and fidelity to it. The school might make an exception but then another unsuccessful applicant might take an action and the school would be exposed.

That would be all well and good, if schools were regularly quietly breaching their own entrance rules.

Leaving that aside, some of the comments under the article are depressing.
 

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Not if he's jumped the queue over others.
FGS in one way the mantra is that Travellers do not value education.

Then when they do, it's something else.

I know he probably jumped the fekkin queue, but he is probably one of the very few 13 yr old Travellers to attend Secondary School in fairness.

Still, their sense of entitlement would really annoy you sometimes.

But hopefully, in future the rules will be observed.

It's not an ideal situation. Kid wants to go to Secondary. Parents don't fill out the forms. Kid (Traveller) doesn't get a place. Traveller card invoked.

I get it.

I wonder how other parents in the locality feel if their own child didn't get in. But we don't know about that. At least I don't know if a local non Traveller child has been stopped from attending the school. Numbers/application wise.
 

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What I find hard to fathom about this case are the followin:

How a school could go from having 77 students to 38 the following year. Did something happen in the school or were parents fearful about something. Or has a new school opened up nearby.This needs to be explained

At 38 between 2 classes that makes 19 each class which would be considerably smaller than most other first year classes. How could one more make such a difference...schools typically operate with @ 24 pupils per class so that would mean 48 would be their cut off and even then we have taken in more than that to keep our numbers up...the principal has said that some of the students had special needs this would entitle them to more teacher allocation so the ratios would be even less than 19:1 and presumably with deis they have more options for extra tuition and homework clubs etc which take up some of the slack

Something is just not adding up here.... Most schools with those numbers would go out of their way to bring in more students.... More to this than the information that was supplied via media
 

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There is a shortage of 100 places for first year places between the 3 secondary schools and the feeder schools. Immense pressure on schools in Laois.
Very poor planning by the department has partly led to this problem... We can debate the issues about enrolment policies etc but we need to ask question about ministers and department officials who are charged and paid very well to put these services in place
 

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What I find hard to fathom about this case are the followin:

How a school could go from having 77 students to 38 the following year. Did something happen in the school or were parents fearful about something. Or has a new school opened up nearby.This needs to be explained

At 38 between 2 classes that makes 19 each class which would be considerably smaller than most other first year classes. How could one more make such a difference...schools typically operate with @ 24 pupils per class so that would mean 48 would be their cut off and even then we have taken in more than that to keep our numbers up...the principal has said that some of the students had special needs this would entitle them to more teacher allocation so the ratios would be even less than 19:1 and presumably with deis they have more options for extra tuition and homework clubs etc which take up some of the slack

Something is just not adding up here.... Most schools with those numbers would go out of their way to bring in more students.... More to this than the information that was supplied via media
It's a Deis school, they have smaller classes because of the disadvantaged backgrounds of the students.

In terms of the halving of intake, it presumably has to do with teacher allocation. They only have enough teachers to cover that amount. People say there have been no redundancies, but a lot of schools have lost part time teachers.
 

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There is another issue going on kind of related. A traveller child refused a place in a school in Ballyfermot.

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According to news, he didn't actually apply.

So if he didn't apply, how could he be refused?
 

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