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Bradley Manning Pleads Guilty


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Bradley Manning has plead guilty to charges surrounding the Wikileaks affair. He plead guilty to "Misusing Classified Documents", a charge for which he can receive 20 years in prison. The most serious charge of "Aiding the Enemy" was dropped. He could have received Life in prison for that.

So he will probably have 20 years in Fort Leavenworth to look forward to. Supermax would be much better though. Good on him.

Bradley Manning pleads guilty to misusing classified data in WikiLeaks case | Reuters


 


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Looking at this story on CNN, apparently Manning plead guilty in the hopes the USG will not pursue the more serious charge against him of "Aiding the Enemy". This is what is known as a naked plea. But the USG still plans to pursue that charge apparently.

A military lawyer who follows the case told CNN the tactic is known as a "naked plea," or a guilty plea in the absence of a plea deal. The lawyer said that by using that strategy, the defense apparently hopes the government will feel victorious about the guilty pleas Manning has entered and won't go through the effort of a trial.However, in previous hearings, the prosecution has said it intends to pursue convictions on the remaining charges.


If his case proceeds, Manning has asked for Lind, instead of the military equivalent of a jury, to decide his guilt or innocence on the 11 charges to which he pleaded not guilty.
Pfc. Manning admits leaking classified material that 'upset' him to WikiLeaks - CNN.com
 
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Land of the weak and the home of the slave...
 

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That country gives me the creeps these days.
Land of the weak and the home of the slave...
It seems that in addition to Gilmore other people support law breaking in the US. ;)
 

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It seems that in addition to Gilmore other people support law breaking in the US. ;)
I would have supported law breaking in Ireland in 1913. See what I'm getting at?
 

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Chris Hedges is a journalist with a strong sense of ethics and usually worth a read. I though this article was excellent. Bradley Manning will likely rot in jail the rest of his life which is a tragedy and the US resembles the old USSR more and more as time goes by which is also a tragedy.

After Revealing Atrocities of Asymmetrical Warfare, Manning Will Face Asymmetrical Trial
He is ultimately the cause of Assange's incarceration in a tiny London embassy so.
 

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Chris Hedges is a journalist with a strong sense of ethics and usually worth a read. I though this article was excellent. Bradley Manning will likely rot in jail the rest of his life which is a tragedy and the US resembles the old USSR more and more as time goes by which is also a tragedy.

After Revealing Atrocities of Asymmetrical Warfare, Manning Will Face Asymmetrical Trial
Manning made the decision to violate regulations, agreements, and his oath. He deserves whatever he gets.
 

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Manning made the decision to violate regulations, agreements, and his oath. He deserves whatever he gets.
Yes, he was probably wrong for leaking some of the stuff he did, but at the same time some of the stuff he released the people of the US should have known about.

EDIT: Also, you need to reread your signature.
 

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Manning made the decision to violate regulations, agreements, and his oath. He deserves whatever he gets.
Your signature is at odds with your views on Manning. Tell me did you ever watch the Apache helcopter attack mentioned in Hedges article?
 

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Yes, he was probably wrong for leaking some of the stuff he did, but at the same time some of the stuff he released the people of the US should have known about.

EDIT: Also, you need to reread your signature.
The quote in my signature stands. No one has said Manning is/was a good man. He is still awaiting a decision on his "Aiding the Enemy" charges. That is a Life sentence in itself which he deserves.
 
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The quote in my signature stands. No one has said Manning is/was a good man. He is still awaiting a decision on his "Aiding the Enemy" charges. That is a Life sentence in itself which he deserves.
How does he deserve it?
 

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Manning made the decision to violate regulations, agreements, and his oath. He deserves whatever he gets.
To bring that ''logic'' to an extreme conclusion, did Mandela deserve what he got when he was handed that prison sentence?
 

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The quote in my signature stands. No one has said Manning is/was a good man. He is still awaiting a decision on his "Aiding the Enemy" charges. That is a Life sentence in itself which he deserves.
Aiding the enemy? How?
 

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The quote in my signature stands. No one has said Manning is/was a good man. He is still awaiting a decision on his "Aiding the Enemy" charges. That is a Life sentence in itself which he deserves.
How so?
 

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Well instead of answering each of you you could read the articles cited.

He is a soldier that took an oath. Part of that oath was that he would obey the orders of his superiors and that he would bear true faith and allegiance. He was an epic fail.

The "Aiding the Enemy" charge is still pending. It is not been resolved as of yet.
 

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He is a soldier that took an oath. Part of that oath was that he would obey the orders of his superiors and that he would bear true faith and allegiance. He was an epic fail.
Yes, but surely it was in the interest of the American people to know exactly what their military was getting up to?
EDIT: I mean, the helicopter video alone... the US army was killing civilians and journalists ffs!
 

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Yes, but surely it was in the interest of the American people to know exactly what their military was getting up to?
It is not his decision to make. He has no authority or right to determine what is in the interest of the American people.
 

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Manning is a brave man. Shining a light on such activities at great peril to himself.
 

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It is not his decision to make. He has no authority or right to determine what is in the interest of the American people.
Truly daft comment.
 

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