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Brain Drain Damaging NI Economy

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Northern Ireland's 'brain drain' will continue to damage the economy here unless Stormont invests enough in higher education, the man in charge of Queen's University has said.

Vice-chancellor Patrick Johnston said 38% of students currently leave Northern Ireland and there are not enough graduates in some sectors to meet demand.

In an interview in today's Belfast Telegraph, Mr Johnston said the issues cannot be ignored, and he plans to raise them with the new Economy Minister - the DUP's Simon Hamilton - in the coming days.

Queen's University saw its subsidy from Stormont slashed by £8m last year. Mr Johnston said in fact between 2010-2014 it has in real terms seen a 24% cut.

"Northern Ireland then as a result of that lost 2,250 student places - that's over 10% of the total undergraduate student places," he said, adding. "Some 38% of students have to leave Northern Ireland at the age of 18, that's a really serious situation for any society because in particular your most talented people are leaving.

"You do want people to leave and come back, people only come back to where opportunities sit.

"This situation still prevails and has to be addressed if we are going to develop a prosperous economy."

Mr Johnston said Northern Ireland is the only part of the UK where Government is not investing in higher education, and also the only region which exports its talent.

He emphasised these issues need to be addressed if Stormont wants to develop a prosperous economy in Northern Ireland, warning that reducing corporation tax would not be enough.

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So why has University funding received a 24% cut, and why are 38% of the north of Ireland's best and brightest leaving? Could it be that the Stormont executive's priorities are all wrong, and that many (perhaps predominantly Unionist) graduates realise that their 'wee country' is destined for extinction?

Or perhaps they just realise that 6 counties of a 9 county province do not make a country, and they've decided to take their talents elsewhere and seek a life and contribute to the economy of a proper i.e. real country that has a future?
 


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What do you expect from a government who's first minister advertises Northern Ireland in the USA as a place good for business because of its low wages.
 

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Very important topic. Excellent OP. The fact is that Northern Ireland has an oppressive and repressive atmosphere probably particularly so in Unionist areas which of course is going to drive off people with imagination, etc.
 

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No need to continue this thread the answer is simple. It's all themuns fault....
 

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What do you expect from a government who's first minister advertises Northern Ireland in the USA as a place good for business because of its low wages.
She's attempting to appeal to the US capitalist class, who like the EU puppet regime in the RoI, wish to lure US capital into the north with the promise of low overheads eg. wages. The NI executive is not a Socialist regime, and that's why we need parties like People Before Profit..

Very important topic. Excellent OP. The fact is that Northern Ireland has an oppressive and repressive atmosphere probably particularly so in Unionist areas which of course is going to drive off people with imagination, etc.
You mean the annual Orange Fest doesn't have the capacity to keep the intelligentsia at home? But it's so bright, cultural and colourful?

No need to continue this thread the answer is simple. It's all themuns fault....
As someone who graduated from the University of Life with a 3rd class degree in pastie baps, your job down the chippy is safe, me ole mucker.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen/839898/fury-as-north-and-north-east-universities-left-to-bear-the-brunt-of-education-cuts/

Higher education cuts across the whole UK not just NI .
Universities and Colleges have had boom years peddling useless courses and have a political headlock through their unions.
Nobody wants to see a "brain drain" but perhaps we should see more vocational ,useful training for those not inclined to go to University ?
Tuition fees have excluded a lot of talent. Many bright young working class people and those from financially squeezed lower middle class backgrounds no longer view a University education as an option thanks to the Tories, their sustainment of tuition fees and their programme of austerity. Vocational courses and low paid manual employment is the best that many bright young stars can hope for.
 

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She's attempting to appeal to the US capitalist class, who like the EU puppet regime in the RoI, wish to lure US capital into the north with the promise of low overheads eg. wages. The NI executive is not a Socialist regime, and that's why we need parties like People Before Profit..



You mean the annual Orange Fest doesn't have the capacity to keep the intelligentsia at home? But it's so bright, cultural and colourful?



As someone who graduated from the University of Life with a 3rd class degree in pastie baps, your job down the chippy is safe, me ole mucker.



Tuition fees have excluded a lot of talent. Many bright young working class people and those from financially squeezed lower middle class backgrounds no longer view a University education as an option thanks to the Tories, their sustainment of tuition fees and their programme of austerity. Vocational courses and low paid manual employment is the best that many bright young stars can hope for.
3rd class? Are you lookin battered pup? Know your plaice...No Surrender, for cod and Ulster!
 

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Meanwhile in land of milk and honey ,same issues. And much bigger brain drain over the years. Global economics at work.

Budget must reverse cuts which affect marginalised students
Any reasonably skilled graduate in the South can go work at Oracle, Google, Facebook, Twitter, HubSpot, Workday, IBM, Amazon, PayPal, Yahoo, Yelp, Apple, Cisco etc. This is thanks to an attractive environment, good work by the equivalent of Invest NI and the multiplier effects of attracting a high knowledge tech hub.

NI is so far behind it's not even in the rearview mirror.
 

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Tuition fees in and off themselves do not tell the whole story. Scotland for instance despite having no fees for their students have the least working class student base.

In Scotland there's a valid argument that free tuition is infact acting as a State subsidy to the middle classes.
 

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Any reasonably skilled graduate in the South can go work at Oracle, Google, Facebook, Twitter, HubSpot, Workday, IBM, Amazon, PayPal, Yahoo, Yelp, Apple, Cisco etc. This is thanks to an attractive environment, good work by the equivalent of Invest NI and the multiplier effects of attracting a high knowledge tech hub.

NI is so far behind it's not even in the rearview mirror.
Be fair. You're not comparing like with like. The RoI is a sovereign state. NI is a region within the UK. It takes its directions from London.
 

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Never fear moi is still here...
 

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Be fair. You're not comparing like with like. The RoI is a sovereign state. NI is a region within the UK. It takes its directions from London.
Think that's fair. It's also a statelet that has never broke even in its history so I wouldn't expect too much without very significant economic integration with the south.
 

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Think that's fair. It's also a statelet that has never broke even in its history so I wouldn't expect too much without very significant economic integration with the south.
And an Irish language act of course :roll:
 

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Be fair. You're not comparing like with like. The RoI is a sovereign state. NI is a region within the UK. It takes its directions from London.
True. And it is of course disadvantaged by its membership of the UK. But it doesn't have to be as such. Hong Kong is, after all, part of the People's Republic of China.
 

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Awk it's dead on its just all them newly educated tea eggs a leaving...there will soon be none o the fckurs left.....its just a matter of time....tick tock..tick tock...
 

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