Breaking the Chains: Pamphlet Launch

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Actually Ulster Presbyterians used to also take great pleasure in battering Quakers both in Ireland and in the American colonies- that their habit of drinking in Church used to freak out the other Prods in the colonies no end.

Samuel Rutherford's rants against the Quakers are actually pretty wonderful and there is extremely little in them that a Catholic could disagree with. One of the principle reasons for the major falling out between the Covenanters and Cromwell is that the latter had a soft spot for Quakers.
 


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In fostering and promoting class differences James, Connoly showed himself not just to be an enemy of Ireland but an enemy of the entire human race.

This hostility of Connolys toward all humanity was concealed behind a false patriotism that abused and twisted the national aspirations of the Irish people for self rule and independence.
Worst. Wind-up. Ever.
 

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Giving yourself likes R2D2? :D
Jesus wept. Cruimh, you liked this post? Your credibility is shot in my eyes.
UTP FAP etv
The three of you show what is wrong with this site:
1. Cruimh is a Catholic hating Quaker ex RUC death squad member, who serves a function by digging up Catholic skeletons. I have not the faintest idea what he is on about regarding his hand bagging. Bigotry is not his problem here but how it lopsides him.
2. He can like anything he likes for whatever reason, perverse or now. he likes and he should not be pulled up on that.
3. The PIRA murder gang, like nay other, has to be seen in a multi planed context. You are incapable of that. The value of Provo groupies here is htye show how one-dimensional they are. Cruimh brought to our attention that one of your heroes, the ex British Army man James Connoly, wished to get special status for one of his hacks. Instrad of helping explore that, you rant on about the PIRA criminals, none of whom were even born then.
 

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Worst. Wind-up. Ever.
It is not a wind up.

The late James Connoly fostered and encouraged enmity between workers and employers, between the rich and the poor.

In doing that he showed his contempt and hatred not just for all Irish people collectively but also for the entire human race.
 

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Oh, the irony .... women were once again being sidelined in struggles for civil rights in the six counties.

Of course, it has to be remembered that there were NO rights issues for women (or children or men) in the 26 counties .....
Whataboutery.
 

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The language is colourful but he is essentially correct in what he says there. I knew a girl over in England who though she had a bit of the bland nihilism that the English seem to excel at and the likes of Emily Davison on would like the Irish to ape was extremely pleasant, than stuck badly for money she decided to become an "escort" and the rapidness of the degeneration in her character through that was intensely frightening, within three months the girl I had liked was essentially dead.

Quakers are scum. Something that people from Catholic backgrounds need to know is that Quakers are not Protestant. You have extremely fine Protestant types (kalipa, Old Mr Grouser and Run to da Hills here would examples of such); there is no such thing as a good Quaker, good ex-Quakers I'm sure exist, but there are no good Quakers. I prefer atheism to Quakerism. Quakerism with it's Luciferian deification of the bourgeois ego (the "inner light" they call it) to the exclusion of not just Revelation but also Reason is one hundred per cent diabolic. During the Jacobite riots which broke out actually quite regularly in 18 th century England one of the first things the lads would do would be to batter some Quakers now obviously I would not approve of such, indeed I would strongly disapprove of such, but I can never the less understand why did they so given the out and out evil of the sect as well as the fact as PeaceGoalie has pointed out that very often they are the most evil type of Capitalist. Read the writings of Matthew Fox. It is obvious from them that he was extremely mentally ill AND demonized.
Actually Ulster Presbyterians used to also take great pleasure in battering Quakers both in Ireland and in the American colonies- that their habit of drinking in Church used to freak out the other Prods in the colonies no end.

Samuel Rutherford's rants against the Quakers are actually pretty wonderful and there is extremely little in them that a Catholic could disagree with. One of the principle reasons for the major falling out between the Covenanters and Cromwell is that the latter had a soft spot for Quakers.
Posts like these are why I like your posts (and I am going to go back and like htem in a jiffy). I actually learn something and that is the name of my game. Cruimh is a good miner, good at digging.
The Qakers are an odd lot: paternalistic capitalists, who were obmoxious shtts at the time of the Reformation. I have founded them to be soulless, money mad, self serving shtts. Not all of them but even the good ones I've met are suspect.



In fostering and promoting class differences James, Connoly showed himself not just to be an enemy of Ireland but an enemy of the entire human race. This hostility of Connolys toward all humanity was concealed behind a false patriotism that abused and twisted the national aspirations of the Irish people for self rule and independence.
You might think that but I couldn't possibly comment. Well I will. Connolly was lionised by Romantic Ireland after his 1916 caper. There has been no proper appraisal of this cantankerous ex Squaddie, some work by JJ Lee excedpted.



Worst. Wind-up. Ever.
Nott so., James Connolly was not Jesus or Buddha. He was a man driven by a mission who had one foot on hte ground, unlike Pearrse and Plunkett. His attitude to the fallen women is interesting in that respect, as is his receipt of Holy Communion before getting wasted. This latter point is interesting as Connolly himself said he had not been to Mass in very many years and yet Cruimh/Horgan is trying too tell us he was frog marching others up to the altar.

I liked that PeaceGoalie showed his or her true colours - is R2D2 male or Female?

It was, if anything, an Ironic Like :D
Thank you for explaining your like to that dope with the low sperm count. I have absolutely no idea what you are on about but old habits of picking on uppity Croppies probably die hard.
 

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You might think that but I couldn't possibly comment. Well I will. Connolly was lionised by Romantic Ireland after his 1916 caper. There has been no proper appraisal of this cantankerous ex Squaddie, some work by JJ Lee excerpted.
That lionisation of Connoly only began in earnest with the birth of RTE in the 1960,s when the closet communists employed there started twisting the Easter Rising for their own ends.

James Connoly was in reality an enemy of Ireland whose bitter politics poisoned many weak minds especially in RTE.
 

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That lionisation of Connoly only began in earnest with the birth of RTE in the 1960,s when the closet communists employed there started twisting the Easter Rising for their own ends.

James Connoly was in reality an enemy of Ireland whose bitter politics poisoned many weak minds especially in RTE.
Yet you admire Michael Collins an obvious child of satan responsible for bringing so much un-necessary division to both parts of Ireland. Peader O'Donnell who remained to the end of his life a Republican Ultra fought Collins bitterly over what he was blessing during the Northern campaign and despised him for that as much as he did for his turning on his own so viciously after being bribed to do so by the London government of the time.
 

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Yet you admire Michael Collins an obvious child of satan responsible for bringing so much un-necessary division to both parts of Ireland.
Collins I certainly admire greatly because his politics were comprehensively nationalist,
, unlike Connolys which were divisive and class restricted.

In addition Collins understood that only brute force would expel British rule with the objective of establishing Irish independence for all.

Connolys use of brute force was used by him to favour only a select group of Irish people.

Peader O'Donnell who remained to the end of his life a Republican Ultra fought Collins bitterly over what he was blessing during the Northern campaign and despised him for that as much as he did for his turning on his own so viciously after being bribed to do so by the London government of the time.
If you want to describe somebody as a true child of Satan then look no further than Peadar O,Donnel.
 

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That lionisation of Connoly only began in earnest with the birth of RTE in the 1960,s when the closet communists employed there started twisting the Easter Rising for their own ends.

James Connoly was in reality an enemy of Ireland whose bitter politics poisoned many weak minds especially in RTE.
That is not true. It began around 1919 when popular opinion turned in force in favour of the Sinn Fein/IRA murder gang who evolved into Cumann na nGael. The sodomite Casement was not so hounoured - though he is today by his fellow sodomites and child "admirers". The 1916 lot were painted out as angels, much likew how MI6 agent Coco was at his funeral. Kevin Myers has written many times on how the 1916 lot and the scatty women who flowed them goot off onn blowing brains out. Some people are into that sh66t.
 

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That is not true.
I believe it is true that it began in earnest because Connoly was not a household name in Ireland until th advent of the 1960s and the name change from Amiens Street Station to Connolly Station all of which happened in the 1960s.


It began around 1919
Nobody disputes that.

You ought to pay better attention to what is written.

I said began in earnest.

when popular opinion turned in force in favour of the Sinn Fein/IRA murder gang who evolved into Cumann na nGael. The sodomite Casement was not so hounoured - though he is today by his fellow sodomites and child "admirers". The 1916 lot were painted out as angels, much likew how MI6 agent Coco was at his funeral. Kevin Myers has written many times on how the 1916 lot and the scatty women who flowed them goot off onn blowing brains out. Some people are into that sh66t.
Myers is not an Irish surname.
The writer you refer to is known for his unbalanced and historically defective journalism.
 

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Collins I certainly admire greatly because his politics were comprehensively nationalist,
, unlike Connolys which were divisive and class restricted.

In addition Collins understood that only brute force would expel British rule with the objective of establishing Irish independence for all.

Connolys use of brute force was used by him to favour only a select group of Irish people.

If you want to describe somebody as a true child of Satan then look no further than Peadar O,Donnel.
Okay can I clarify something here; do you believe Collins was right in blessing the IRA to mortar bomb trams filled with people going to work because they contained mostly Prods and Paeder O'Donnell was wrong to oppose such? Because of Collins over riding of Paeder O'Donnell the Northern campaign by it's end had degenerated for the most part to just base tribalist slaughter. Also just who to you think you are to be so utterly impertinent about one of your superiors? Paeder O'Donnell was a genuine Gaelic Aristocrat and everything about was imprinted with the sign of genuine Nobility. Sad to say a lot of Irish people associate Aristocracy with the floor shavings placed with nominal titles here by the Williamite usurpers when truth be told they were and descendents still are about as integrally Aristocratic as the most vulgar Belfast millie. Genuine integral Nobility however is a wonder to behold and brings delight to the souls of anyone remotely capable of veneration.

I see Nationalism as something that can be wonderfully creative and productive of the good but also something that can be intensely destructive and retarding. The thing is though that I don't have any real Nationalism at all personally and I doubt that is something which will ever change however I will admit to envying other people's Nationalism at times. I do also realize that at times I can come across as even very Nationalistic on here because of my opposition to the Gaelic "Vergangenheitsbewältigung". The thing is though that Michael Collins was no Nationalist at all, there was nothing even remotely Nationalist for good or ill about him, he was just a charismatic psychopath who used Nationalism for his own ends. I have heard it argued that he redeemed himself in some way by his suicide, however I find such arguments distinctly Un-Christian.

You do realize that the Cosgrave government that Collins murdered into power oversaw a minor famine in Southern Ireland where they happily content to watch people die? That is real intense class hatred and you have utter filth such best represented on here by Mitsui2 who believe that everything in the ROI should orbit around his ilk satisfying their petty greeds. It has been said that in essence Fine Gael represent an unholy alliance of those Gaels who used An Gorta Mor/the Irish Holocaust to enrich themselves in a sordid manner with Williamite floor shavings "Ascendency", and the longer I live in the ROI the more I believe that to be true. Paeder O'Donnell was extremely correct that Dev who I do have a great admiration for but not half as much as my better half has was utterly wrong in not crushing when he had the opportunity to.

Also have you read Connolly? I have and I find his writings very interesting indeed which isn't to say that I would be in complete agreement with him. You should read this by him which was written in reply to a Jesuit who made similar accusations against him in his own day to yours;

https://www.marxists.org/archive/connolly/1910/lnr/
 
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I believe it is true that it began in earnest because Connoly was not a household name in Ireland until th advent of the 1960s and the name change from Amiens Street Station to Connolly Station all of which happened in the 1960s.
Nobody disputes that.
You ought to pay better attention to what is written.
I said began in earnest.
Myers is not an Irish surname.
The writer you refer to is known for his unbalanced and historically defective journalism.
Connolly station was so named along with many others in 1966. This was a product of the bs that went on in the years before. 1966 ushered in a new era but there was continuity, as ther Continuity IRA claim and as the Commie f-tards claim listing Peadar O'Donnell, Mellowes and Nazi collaborator Frank Ryan as their lesser prophets.
 

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Also have you read Connolly? I have and I find his writings very interesting indeed which isn't to say that I would be in complete agreement with him. You should read this by him which was written in reply to a Jesuit who made similar accusations against him in his own day to yours;
You and I are probably the only two here who have read Connolly. I doubt the Commy knows how to read at all. Connolly wsas a minor pimple on the bum of Irish history
 

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Okay can I clarify something here; do you believe Collins was right in blessing the IRA to mortar bomb trams filled with people going to work because they contained mostly Prods and Paeder O'Donnell was wrong to oppose such?
That is the first time I ever heard that allegation.
I flatly reject it.

Collins afaik confined his actions to eliminating official occupying British crown personnel and in a war sanctioned by Dail Eireann such actions were essential and fully justified.

Peader ODonnel was the spawn of Satan, a bitter communist to the end dining out and lyng through his rotted teeth about his minor actions in the Irish war of independence.

Because of Collins over riding of Paeder O'Donnell the Northern campaign by it's end had degenerated for the most part to just base tribalist slaughter. Also just who to you think you are to be so utterly impertinent about one of your superiors? Paeder O'Donnell was a genuine Gaelic Aristocrat and everything about was imprinted with the sign of genuine Nobility. Sad to say a lot of Irish people associate Aristocracy with the floor shavings placed with nominal titles here by the Williamite usurpers when truth be told they were and descendents still are about as integrally Aristocratic as the most vulgar Belfast millie. Genuine integral Nobility however is a wonder to behold and brings delight to the souls of anyone remotely capable of veneration.
ODonnel was scum, carrying through life true bitterness about his working class origins and then pretending to be descended from Gaelic aristocracy using a repulsive contrived theatrical accent.

You are deceived if you believe anything else about that horrible bastard.

I ---------Un-Christian.
I have deleting the above rant.

You do realise that the Cosgrave government that Collins murdered into power oversaw a minor famine in Southern Ireland where they happily content to watch people die?
Sadly you have been infected yet again by the poisonous pen of scumbag Peadar ODonnel

:roll:

That---------to.
Thes ravings and delusions of yours have to be deleted.

Also have you read Connolly? I have and I find his writings very interesting indeed which isn't to say that I would be in complete agreement with him. You should read this by him which was written in reply to a Jesuit who made similar accusations against him in his own day to yours;

https://www.marxists.org/archive/connolly/1910/lnr/
I have no interest in bitter twisted men like James Connoly whose aim in life was to stir up class hatred and to abuse the principle of national self determination to further generate such hatreds.
 
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I think Connolly's analysis and integration of women in the ICA is pretty revolutionary by every measure perhaps with no contemporary equals (bar the Bolsheviks).

The pamphlet is really good and goes in to mention the downfalls of Connolly's analysis too so it's not all roses and peaches.
 

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As for emulation. That is now how Marxism or Socialism works. We don't emulate. We create a socialist society on the basis of what conditions exist in Ireland.
 

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As for emulation. That is now how Marxism or Socialism works. We don't emulate. We create a socialist society on the basis of what conditions exist in Ireland.
Marxism and Socialism by fostering antagonisms between different groups turn society into a power struggle that goes nowhere and generates hatred by exploiting ,not harnessing, mens different abilities.
 

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We already exist in a society where there is constant crushing of workers. The last 8 years of austerity rule are pretty clear there; wealth has become concentrated in the hands of a few while the rest suffer.

Not really rocket science.
 


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