Brendan Howlin resigns as Labour leader - end of dreams of an SF-led govt?

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Howlin is most remembered for the zeal and passion he displayed imposing swinging austerity on the very people who voted for him and he was supposed to protect.

I've heard him speak a few times in the past 5 years and it's always the same speech - how he had no choice, how we were all blissfully unaware of the perils he alone protected us from the "ravages" of the free markets.

He's never admitted to making a mistake, to being wrong - the narrative is always that we didn't appreciate how hard he worked for us.

He has become a joke among his own party and the electorate, but he clung on to his last position of imagined power because like Napoleon in exile he wanted to refight the old battles in his head and refight the 2011 GE campaign.

Add to that his massive lack of judgement as leader - Bacik as Director of Elections???? - a lady who can't get herself elected? WTF?
Arrogance speak ' blissfully aware'

'youse have no idea' etc.

All of this were spoken in arrogance and in very condescending manner.

That's brendan Howlin for you. True to form that he never admitted his mistake. It sounded bit like a dictator.
 


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He’s small alright but he is also a horrible little bar-steward.

He has been a great wee capitalist in all the money he has gathered for himself.

He is an Irish Tory.
The cruellest thing I ever heard about Howlin is when he was likened to "a failed Shakespearean actor".
It captured some of his good and bad traits: articulate if even eloquent (articulate alone makes you Cicero in Irish politics), possessing gravitas and education, but also pompous and a bit self-satisfied despite the whiff of a loser about him.
 
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I read somewhere this morning that a party called solidarity issued a statement that they did not have discussions with sf ( or some such)

it transpires that solidarity is the same solidarity of solidarity/people befor profit.

it has one td - mick Barry.

god almighty the peoples front of Judaea vs the judean peoples front!
There was an article in The Village which was shared on Twitter which went into great detail on the various layers and distinctions. This is a very narrow parsing of it all:

PBP is a brand of one socialist party.

Anti Austerity Alliance is another brand of another separate party. This rebranded as RISE.

There is a certain overlap, but such is trotskism that ideologies are absolute and dissent means a split. PBP believe in a UI. AA believe it is about uniting de workers more than colonial hangovers...

There may be some other B.S. there. But fundamentally, neither believe in getting into govt and working to change the laws to create a socialist society. And AAA are particularly against this. In particular, any compromise to deliver certain facets of policy are anathema.

So this is one reason letting a left coalition fail or fail to be formed may suit SF. Next time they wont look to transfer left to these useless fu#ks.
 

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And to think that Labour were one election away from being the largest party and in government until the Stickies and their collaborators put their own greed ahead of "their" party and f*cked the members and union supporters. Now Labour has been led to 6 seats by Howlin. The electorate made the hard decisions because Labour was living beyond our means.
 

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And to think that Labour were one election away from being the largest party and in government until the Stickies and their collaborators put their own greed ahead of "their" party and f*cked the members and union supporters. Now Labour has been led to 6 seats by Howlin. The electorate made the hard decisions because Labour was living beyond our means.
They salvaged the country from the biggest calamity since independence in 2010.

But the people who made the decisions which bankrupt the country pre-2010 were supported and the people who salvaged the country were punished.
 

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Its linked to group-think of the D4 Establishment and political cronies (including in some cases forrmer politicians) who end up on the bench and then let hardened criminals, some of whom have committed serious physical and/or sexual assaults, out on the streets again.
No it isn't. There's zero link between the manner of judicial appointments and public perceptions about sentencing.
 

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Howlin is most remembered for the zeal and passion he displayed imposing swinging austerity on the very people who voted for him and he was supposed to protect.
I don't recall "zeal and passion". I remember that FG and Labour agreed a programme for government which was basically a 50-50 compromise between the two manifestos, despite FG winning 2/3rds of the votes and seats in that coalition. Listening to the alternative, fact-free version of history peddled by you and others, you'd think there was no so-called austerity in the Labour manifesto at all - whereas the reality is it contained the same commitment to getting the budget deficit down to 3% of GDP as FG's did. The differences were that Labour wanted to do it by 2016 whereas FG wanted to get there by 2014, and Labour wanted to do it via a 2:1 ratio of tax hikes to spending cuts, whereas FG were the other way round. What they agreed to was a compromise - to get to 3% by 2015, and to do so with a 1:1 split between tax rises and spending cuts. So why don't you take your outrage hat off for once and explain what your problem is with that?

I've heard him speak a few times in the past 5 years and it's always the same speech - how he had no choice, how we were all blissfully unaware of the perils he alone protected us from the "ravages" of the free markets.
So he's consistent in his view. What's your problem with that?

He's never admitted to making a mistake, to being wrong - the narrative is always that we didn't appreciate how hard he worked for us.
Well he's certainly correct on the second count, and he's never claimed to have made no mistakes.

He has become a joke among his own party and the electorate, but he clung on to his last position of imagined power because like Napoleon in exile he wanted to refight the old battles in his head and refight the 2011 GE campaign.
Huh?

Add to that his massive lack of judgement as leader - Bacik as Director of Elections???? - a lady who can't get herself elected? WTF?
Do you even know what a director of elections does? I'm guessing you don't.

So, an alienated leader, unpopular with the electorate and unable to select an effective director of elections...that's my logic - I hope it passes your high standards.
It doesn't, because it's largely fact-free.
 

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Ivana Bacik would not get elected in her own house. Has she ever won an election in her life.

Howlin was not a socialist. Was he not part of the rainbow Gov back in 1996 that gave pensioners an increase of 7 cent a week.
Well we didn't have cent in 1996, so that's fairly unlikely. Anyway since when was there a law that says pensions have to go up in every budget?
 

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What f*cking planet are you on and have you read the Irish media coverage of SF during this election campaign? Even the asshats in the Bindo (Belgian Independent) and the Oirish Times are laying into SF with every negative story about SF that they can grab.

Waste of time sir educating the clueless on here.
 

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Ah jasus Baron you wouldn't expect her to wear them, but having to look at them would hopefully teach her to show a bit of that humility.
anyway BB probably has silk already ordered, he just doesn't realize it's us who will have to pay the bill.


Is Buff a Labor Guy?
 

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So it's Kelly or Amadan.

Surely even the Labour party members aren't so utterly disconnected from reality that they'd choose the latter.
 

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Bookies have Kelly odds on at 1/7 , you can get Amadan at 4/1.

They obviously think this is basically a coronation for Kelly.

Unless Amadan can convince them that a leader who champions identify politics , wokeness and calls everyone who disagrees him either a racist , misogynist , homophone etc will turn the tide for them.
 

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Bookies have Kelly odds on at 1/7 , you can get Amadan at 4/1.

They obviously think this is basically a coronation for Kelly.

Unless Amadan can convince them that a leader who champions identify politics , wokeness and calls everyone who disagrees him either a racist , misogynist , homophone etc will turn the tide for them.
They need Amadán like a hole in the head.
 


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