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Brendan McGahon Ex FG TD for Louth - Why did he stand bail for a major fraudster.


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Can someone from Louth or there abouts explain to me the connections or business relationship if any between Brendan McGahon Ex FG TD in Louth with the serious Fraudster and major smuggler and all round bad boy with 157 convictions from tax evasion to breaking licencing laws - John Oliver Byrne.

Why did he feel it necessary to accompany and support this man by putting up ten thousand in Bail, on the day of his court appearance, does he have or ever had other associates/friends or whatever that are being investigated by CAB for smuggling and racketeering. Why was he not questioned in the Dail about this, or brought before a ethics committee by FG and asked to explain his actions and reasoning. Why pay bail for a man who defrauded the British revenue of 1.3 million sterling.

Is it just a Ex TD happening to help out a chum, with more serious convictions than a Moyross housing estate or what? Please do tell. Is there any other major criminals that he has provided bail for.

Politically Brendan is famous for his Lord and Sex Organs speech, in which he denounced homosexuals as not "deserving of tolerance"

What is the simple yet ungiven explanation.

https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=IRISHLAW;lgAUZA;199506121439000400
http://www.sfo.gov.uk/news/prout/pr_40.asp?id=40
 
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Care to give us a link or is this just stuff out of your head?

What I could find from googling (which people shouldn't need to do if you are genuinely interested in a discussion) relates to the avoidance of levies dating back to the 1980s. Is that what you're talking about?

Standing bail is simply a means to allow someone be at liberty while awaiting trail and is evidence of nothing more than you believe the person to not be a flight risk. There are in the US people who do this for a living called bail bondsmen.
 
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Care to give us a link or is this just stuff out of your head?
See above, I try to pull the lotto numbers out of my head, it did not work, so now I stick to facts.
 

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I don't want this to degenerate in to a FG's on one side and the rest on the other, but why was this not a major issue. It is indefensible, morally and politically that a sitting govt. TD would bail out someone who defrauds revenue, and has 157 convictions.
 

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Can someone from Louth or there abouts explain to me the connections or business relationship if any between Brendan McGahon Ex FG TD in Louth with the serious Fraudster and major smuggler and all round bad boy with 157 convictions from tax evasion to breaking licencing laws - John Oliver Byrne.

Why did he feel it necessary to accompany and support this man by putting up ten thousand in Bail, on the day of his court appearance, does he have or ever had other associates/friends or whatever that are being investigated by CAB for smuggling and racketeering. Why was he not questioned in the Dail about this, or brought before a ethics committee by FG and asked to explain his actions and reasoning. Why pay bail for a man who defrauded the British revenue of 1.3 million sterling.

Is it just a Ex TD happening to help out a chum, with more serious convictions than a Moyross housing estate or what? Please do tell. Is there any other major criminals that he has provided bail for.

Politically Brendan is famous for his Lord and Sex Organs speech, in which he denounced homosexuals as not "deserving of tolerance"

What is the simple yet ungiven explanation.

https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=IRISHLAW;lgAUZA;199506121439000400
Serious Fraud Office | Grain dealer admits guilt in Ireland cross-border levy fraud
It's very common practice in Irish politics, just look at Adams and Tom , the slab, Murphy.
 

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See above, I try to pull the lotto numbers out of my head, it did not work, so now I stick to facts.
Since when?
Seems like only today you were accusing me of planting bombs in Dublin and being a Para really.:rolleyes:

Go on I´m listening. Prove that you´ve actually got something worthwhile to say for once, or are you just trying to take the heat off your SF TD buddy in the opposite part of the country who taxis murderers around from one SF bash to another.
 

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Care to give us a link or is this just stuff out of your head?

What I could find from googling (which people shouldn't need to do if you are genuinely interested in a discussion) relates to the avoidance of levies dating back to the 1980s. Is that what you're talking about?

Standing bail is simply a means to allow someone be at liberty while awaiting trail and is evidence of nothing more than you believe the person to not be a flight risk. There are in the US people who do this for a living called bail bondsmen.
The evasion of the levies in the North was one of the charges that he was convicted of.

While there is no reason to believe that Byrne was a flight risk, having a sitting govt. TD stand bail for you could be seen as unduly influencing the Judge where as I would consider a bailsman to be an impartial body.

There are a lot of smugglers in Louth, due to the border, and fraudsters that would be a serious as byrne in every county. Why did McGahon pick him as the one. Do other TD's post bail for criminals serious or otherwise.

If it was a motivated by McGahon believing that a suspect has the right to be free prior to trial, he will surely have done likewise prior or after to this for other people, has he?. Have other TD's posted bail for criminals serious or otherwise? .
 

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It's very common practice in Irish politics, just look at Adams and Tom , the slab, Murphy.
So Adams and McGahon are cut from the same cloth when it comes to smugglers.
 

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I don't want this to degenerate in to a FG's on one side and the rest on the other, but why was this not a major issue. It is indefensible, morally and politically that a sitting govt. TD would bail out someone who defrauds revenue, and has 157 convictions.
There was some talk about this locally years ago. There was some family relationship between them, though I don't recall the details.

McGahon being such an awkward and peripheral figure in FG at the time could not be told to keep out of the issue.

The word maverick could have been invented to describe him. Though Oliver J Flanagan might dispute that.
 

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Since when?
Seems like only today you were accusing me of planting bombs in Dublin and being a Para really.:rolleyes:

Go on I´m listening. Prove that you´ve actually got something worthwhile to say for once, or are you just trying to take the heat off your SF TD buddy in the opposite part of the country who taxis murderers around from one SF bash to another.
I was being sarcastic. The evidence is there, I am asking why McGahon felt it necessary to bail out a smuggler with 157 convictions. How many British MP's are setting bail for their constituients that are defrauding the revenue?.

What are you on about take the heat of "SF TD buddy", it is a political website you numbnuts that seems to have thread started every fifteen minutes. If you do not know anything what this man was up to then p off back to the ferris thread.
 
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There was some talk about this locally years ago. There was some family relationship between them, though I don't recall the details.

McGahon being such an awkward and peripheral figure in FG at the time could not be told to keep out of the issue.

The word maverick could have been invented to describe him. Though Oliver J Flanagan might dispute that.
Thank you White Horse.

Given that he seems to have been so "maverick", some might say nuts, was there ever an attempt to remove him by head office to get in a more effective replacement.
 

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I don't want this to degenerate in to a FG's on one side and the rest on the other, but why was this not a major issue. It is indefensible, morally and politically that a sitting govt. TD would bail out someone who defrauds revenue, and has 157 convictions.
Hang on a second here, you're jumping all over the temporal map. You're talking about the convictions as if he had them at the time of bail being posted when from what I can find those convictions are in respect of what he was being then and there charged with. And these are events from 10/20 year ago, I'm happy to discuss them but let's have less of this cribbing from republicans about moving on and leaving things in the past shall we?

If he had 157 convictions at the time he was being charged it would be one thing, it's entirely another to talk about someone who it appears at the time bail was being posted was merely someone with no convictions who was charged with fraud by way of avoiding levies for transporting across the border. And it appears fraud of the British revenue at that, not kosher by any means but not necessary anything to do with someone being a govt or not govt TD as the case may be. It should also be noted that he served 28 weeks while awaiting extradition so it is possible that the bail was later withdrawn.
 

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I was being sarcastic. The evidence is there, I am asking why McGahon felt it necessary to bail out a smuggler with 157 convictions. How many British MP's are setting bail for their constituients that are defrauding the revenue?.

What are you on about take the heat of "SF TD buddy", it is a political website yoy numbnuts that seems to have thread started every fifteen minutes. If you do not know anything what this man was up to then p off back to the ferris thread.
Let's get some facts here, did he have those 157 convictions at the time bail was posted? Yes/No? and give us a source.
 

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It's very common practice in Irish politics, just look at Adams and Tom , the slab, Murphy.

You mean to say that ex Fine Gael TDs consort with criminals, we believed that only the likes of Martin Ferris would do a thing like that,What has happened, is this the end of Fine Gael,
 
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Thank you White Horse.

Given that he seems to have been so "maverick", some might say nuts, was there ever an attempt to remove him by head office to get in a more effective replacement.
Constantly. Garrett FitzGerald (in particular) and he shared a mutual contempt.

The difficulty was that he got a "Dundalk" vote that was largely independent of FG. (That vote has subsequently gone to Dermot Ahern who shares many of his conservative views but is much more circumspect in broadcasting them).

Since McGahon stepped down, FG's vote in Dundalk has collapsed and the party are trying to rebuild. That is the problem with independednt minded TDs, succession is very difficult.
 

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Its the age old problem called hypocrisy its wrong for some one else do the same thing but ok when you do it
 

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Constantly. Garrett FitzGerald (in particular) and he shared a mutual contempt.

The difficulty was that he got a "Dundalk" vote that was largely independent of FG. (That vote has subsequently gone to Dermot Ahern who shares many of his conservative views but is much more circumspect in broadcasting them).

Since McGahon stepped down, FG's vote in Dundalk has collapsed and the party are trying to rebuild. That is the problem with independednt minded TDs, succession is very difficult.
He got a huge conservative vote allright, he was easily the most reactionary TD in Fine Gael (and possibly the Dáil) since Oliver J Flanagan retired.
 

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Its the age old problem called hypocrisy its wrong for some one else do the same thing but ok when you do it
No, that's inconsistency. Hypocrisy is when you demand that others do something but don't actually believe in it yourself. You don't have to actually do it yourself to be a hypocrite.
 

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RIP, he was a very colourful character in Louth.
 

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I don't want this to degenerate in to a FG's on one side and the rest on the other, but why was this not a major issue. It is indefensible, morally and politically that a sitting govt. TD would bail out someone who defrauds revenue, and has 157 convictions.
Going on all the time i imagine. We seem to have a couple of TDs who really care about corruption and lot more who are waiting for their turn at the trough. When a TD comes along and shouts from the rooftop at corruption it's a good sign they are alright, the ones who defend it or want it pushed down however circuitously probably have skeletons.
 
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