BREXIT difficulties = Ireland's opportumity

firefly123

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Yeah, if the money for the Port Tunnel in Dublin was spent on Rosslare and rail connections, it would have a huge impact. Not only on the region (which is traditionally an unemployment blackspot), but on the whole country in terms of diversification of routes/supply.

Heavy manufacturing could then be set up fairly easily if there was an opportunity later.
In fairness the port tunnel is an excellent piece of engineering and despite the nay saying has been a huge benefit.
There was no way we could know the UK would go mad.
 


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This is a major issue; we simply don't have the capacity to take in any number of new workers, do we?
You actually do if you don't just dump them all in Dublin. There's large factory areas in Shannon for instance that if Airbus were looking to move: International airport, cheap land, there is a decent workforce there already from when previous engine folks were there. We could likely make a good argument on merits.

The flip side of course is that Airbus would be looking to be subsidised/compensated/bribed for the expense of moving (Which will be considerable).
 

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Make some massive birds and they'll make them for you!
In fairness there's a good few massive birds in Ireland.

I don't know if bingo wings are compatible with an A380
 

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In Dublin yes but take Limerick for example as a place with loads of capacity for industrial development. As it stand JLR set up a research centre in Shannon for its electric car development.

Then in the instance of reunification Belfast has great potential with loads of commercial and residential capacity for expansion. That would keep working class unionists happy too.

Waterford is another potential host for hosting. The main problem is the planning process where we saw Apple pull their Athenry facility. That is the great obstacle and part of the housing shortage we currently have in Dublin.
There aren't loads of empty houses in Limerick, either.
 

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You actually do if you don't just dump them all in Dublin. There's large factory areas in Shannon for instance that if Airbus were looking to move: International airport, cheap land, there is a decent workforce there already from when previous engine folks were there. We could likely make a good argument on merits.

The flip side of course is that Airbus would be looking to be subsidised/compensated/bribed for the expense of moving (Which will be considerable).
Unemployment in the mid-West isn't that high, and as I already said, there are housing shortages here, too.
 

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You actually do if you don't just dump them all in Dublin. There's large factory areas in Shannon for instance that if Airbus were looking to move: International airport, cheap land, there is a decent workforce there already from when previous engine folks were there. We could likely make a good argument on merits.

The flip side of course is that Airbus would be looking to be subsidised/compensated/bribed for the expense of moving (Which will be considerable).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...ers-530m-investment-in-airbus-as-a380-produc/



Just give €500,000 of Irish taxpayers' money to each of 1,200 lucky Corkonians and be done with it.
 

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You actually do if you don't just dump them all in Dublin. There's large factory areas in Shannon for instance that if Airbus were looking to move: International airport, cheap land, there is a decent workforce there already from when previous engine folks were there. We could likely make a good argument on merits.

The flip side of course is that Airbus would be looking to be subsidised/compensated/bribed for the expense of moving (Which will be considerable).
The 6000 direct jobs are the subsidised ones.
It's the 100000 indirect jobs that make it worthwhile.
 

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You actually do if you don't just dump them all in Dublin. There's large factory areas in Shannon for instance that if Airbus were looking to move: International airport, cheap land, there is a decent workforce there already from when previous engine folks were there. We could likely make a good argument on merits.

The flip side of course is that Airbus would be looking to be subsidised/compensated/bribed for the expense of moving (Which will be considerable).
ireland already has nearly the fastest growing population in the western world and you want to make things worse ? worsen the housing crisis ? and population replacement ?

we have a population growth rate of 6 times the EU average, and even the EU itself is a big open Hotel for all and sundry.

are you on drugs ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_population_growth_rate
 

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In fairness the port tunnel is an excellent piece of engineering and despite the nay saying has been a huge benefit.
There was no way we could know the UK would go mad.
Agreed. I didn't mean that the Port Tunnel money should have been spent elsewhere, more that it should be spent again elsewhere.
 

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ireland already has nearly the fastest growing population in the western world and you want to make things worse ? worsen the housing crisis ? and population replacement ?

we have a population growth rate of 6 times the EU average, and even the EU itself is a big open Hotel for all and sundry.

are you on drugs ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_population_growth_rate
So we shouldn't look for these industries?
Ireland is STILL the only country in Europe and probably the world with a current population lower than it was in 1840.
 

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Unemployment in the mid-West isn't that high, and as I already said, there are housing shortages here, too.
By the sounds of it a big industry employing tens of thousands would probably be more advantageous to Spain or Poland than Ireland.
 

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So we shouldn't look for these industries?
Ireland is STILL the only country in Europe and probably the world with a current population lower than it was in 1840.
Why do people think that maximising population is a public pilcy objective that makes any sense?
 

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By the sounds of it a big industry employing tens of thousands would probably be more advantageous to Spain or Poland than Ireland.
50,000 new houses and apartments here wouldn't go astray.
 

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So we shouldn't look for these industries?
Ireland is STILL the only country in Europe and probably the world with a current population lower than it was in 1840.
I spent the weekend driving around West Clare where you can still see the remnants of where those extra people lived, here and there.
 

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Why do people think that maximising population is a public pilcy objective that makes any sense?
I do believe reaching a population sweet spot is an objective that makes sense.
Having a couple of million extra people allows for economies of scale and makes infrastructure like public transit viable.
The UK has too many people on their island and that will be a problem for them.
We have too few and it is a problem for us.
 

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It would appear as if some large manufacturers/companies are threatening to pull out of Britain if Brexit goes ahead, BMW, Airbus to name just two. If this were to happen, should Ireland not be positioning itself to pick up any possible benefits of proposed re-location

Now I realise that there are risks in taking this approach, such as, becoming more heavily reliant of foreign investment, no limk to the European mainland and a lack of decent infrastructure. But, are we not missing an opportunity here if we don't even try to attract new business.

There has been some talk lately about where we should look at spending next year's €800 million remaining fiscal space, well, how about on some major infrastructure projects which are needed anyway. This is ibnvestment that won't go to waste.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Unfortunatley while Ireland might well pick up some of the firms or operations exiting the city of london it has neither the employees, infrastructure nor support industries to capitalize on any of the auto, air or other heavy manufacturing exits.

So expect more brass plates, demand for IFSC office space, further inflation of south dublin house prices...but dont be expecting Trumpian jobs for the plain old skilled blue collar types ( which we dont have enough of to get said jobs).
 

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50,000 new houses and apartments here wouldn't go astray.
In Dublin yes but didn't the last census show vacancy rates in some parts of Ireland in double digits?
 

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Plus another thing that's not mentioned is what comes with this companies relocating from the UK, UKip voting British citizens who have eligibility to reside in Ireland. We'd be importing British racism too.
 

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Unemployment in the mid-West isn't that high, and as I already said, there are housing shortages here, too.
Sure, but they can be resolved. Now's actually the time for the govt to be aggressive on things like seizure of land for housing and streamlining approvals for building. There is an opportunity to get British jobs here, along with skilled, tax paying labour as well. We should go for it.

Not everyone can work for Facebook or a bank.

Also: In the interests of helping along the North's future issues with certification of products: Ireland in its largess could offer to certify them here in the Republic and create a cottage industry. Could be a way of fudging EASA requirements.
 

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Ireland can do the heavier engineering/manufacturing.

The precast concrete industry exported a lot to the UK during the downturn.
 


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