BREXIT difficulties = Ireland's opportumity

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Non pommies can just get on one of these new boat routes direct from the continent to Ireland you are talking about?
Of course they can. I was speak figuratively. Brexit will create new border jobs in Ireland...
 


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They are wishfully thinking, imho, just like the builders keep building in London. And the people gathering at Holyhead may include native pommies.
Last time I passed a building site in Dublin I heard a good smattering of English accents. Won't be surprised if we see a lot more English construction workers earning Euro in Ireland to send home to the auld sod.
 

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Be careful what you wish for. Places that have enjoyed great economic success in the past : Detroit, Burnley, blackburn, Bradford, London, Glasgow, Belfast,

all of them turned into sh1tholes over time.
Because they didn't diversify their economies. Improving our manufacturing offering helps to diversify
 

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Last time I passed a building site in Dublin I heard a good smattering of English accents. Won't be surprised if we see a lot more English construction workers earning Euro in Ireland to send home to the auld sod.
:lol:
As the world turns...
 

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It would appear as if some large manufacturers/companies are threatening to pull out of Britain if Brexit goes ahead, BMW, Airbus to name just two. If this were to happen, should Ireland not be positioning itself to pick up any possible benefits of proposed re-location

Now I realise that there are risks in taking this approach, such as, becoming more heavily reliant of foreign investment, no limk to the European mainland and a lack of decent infrastructure. But, are we not missing an opportunity here if we don't even try to attract new business.

There has been some talk lately about where we should look at spending next year's €800 million remaining fiscal space, well, how about on some major infrastructure projects which are needed anyway. This is ibnvestment that won't go to waste.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
That is not news. When Brexit first "broke" there was talk of widespread moves out of the UK, and the "City of London" in the financial world. We were going to get a massive windfall of jobs coming here. We got some, but not the thousands upon thousands that were predicted. Other financial centres got far higher numbers than us I believe - Frankfurt and Paris I think were two of the main beneficiaries. Not was it a wholesale exit from London either.

I am open to correction on this if anyone has the data handy. I don't and am just posting from memory or reports.
 

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It would be nice if we were in a position to take full advantage of the undoubted opportunities Brexit will throw up - although heavy industry and things like car manufacturing probably wouldn't make sense... but plenty of services and light industry perhaps...

Sadly however Ireland is not equipped to take full advantage of such opportunities.

We can't even house our own.
Yup, this.
 

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Heavy manufacturing, of cars say would be a nice boost for say the midlands. However the bulky nature of the product + Ireland's remote location will make it a hard sell.
It wont happen. Ford pulled lout in the 70's was it? We have not been viewed as a car manufacturing base for a long, long time. Why would Brexit change that?
 

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Agreed if we're talking about final assembly which is better to take place closer to big markets - but industrial, aviation and automotive supply chains are based on sub-assemblies and specialised parts production in various locations flowing into the final assembly plants.

The high end stuff in these sectors could be shipped economically via airfreight, negating our downsides of long seafreight lead times and port capacity issues.
Do we have any expertise in any of that? Or any of the support services related to that? Its not just about having the space to build the things but having the network to support it all. I know the world is getting smaller with technology and globalisation but I would be surprised if any of these industries would take the leap of faith necessary for Ireland to be their base.

They can push other services like supply chain planning and supports etc through Ireland because we allow fictions of management and control from Ireland. Support services rather than physical production is the positioning of Ireland. I believe our policy makers have designed it thusly.
 

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In Dublin yes but take Limerick for example as a place with loads of capacity for industrial development. As it stand JLR set up a research centre in Shannon for its electric car development.

Then in the instance of reunification Belfast has great potential with loads of commercial and residential capacity for expansion. That would keep working class unionists happy too.

Waterford is another potential host for hosting. The main problem is the planning process where we saw Apple pull their Athenry facility. That is the great obstacle and part of the housing shortage we currently have in Dublin.

Edit to add: I see others have weighed in with the same points.

Having bypassed the industrial revolution did spare us the post industrial decline that blights so much of England but then that was as much London selling off England after the Empire was gone. Germany, France and north Italy are still engineering leaders so there is a way of managing industrial economies.
Um, Belfast is part of Brexit, or hadn't you heard?;)
 

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How is Ireland more remote than Sunderland?

Jesus, you lot are a cheerful bunch
What? positive thinking will solve the additional transport costs and lack of infrastructure? :roll:
 

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When was the last time you drove from Shannon to Roscommon?
Well actually not too long ago.
It was the east Galway Roscommon border to ennis in fairness.
Down through Galway and good roads down.
 

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Unfortunately we end up being one for British economic refugees, which means we'd probably be importing British UKip voters too.

I don't think I'd ever get used to seeing houses around Ireland with English and British flags flying from them.
Most of the Gammon are too old to breed anymore so it wouldn't be for long
 

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Could we try some kind of plantation of people from Britain into Ireland to sort out the imbalance?

Counties like Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan are badly in need of some more people.
They are very welcome as long as they aren't sending the natives to connaught .
 

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I agree. Ireland is unprepared for it in that its infrastructure simply cannot cope and it will take a decade or more to get that sorted. Also its health and insurance sectors may need to be restructured and made less expensive.
How would you know.
You've never been here allegedly
 

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Unfortunatley while Ireland might well pick up some of the firms or operations exiting the city of london it has neither the employees, infrastructure nor support industries to capitalize on any of the auto, air or other heavy manufacturing exits.

So expect more brass plates, demand for IFSC office space, further inflation of south dublin house prices...but dont be expecting Trumpian jobs for the plain old skilled blue collar types ( which we dont have enough of to get said jobs).
TBH we survived this long without heavy industry and at this stage while the world is staring down the barrel of automation it might be best avoided.
 


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