Brexit; Flanagan weighs in

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So Charlie is mad at the brits for all this uncertainty - they don't know what they want.

Minister criticises British government over Brexit strategy


Well they do know, control on immigrants, save payments of £billions pa, plus single market access, and the EU ain't giving it. Sore about losing 1/8th of its budget!

Mr Flanagan on three occasions repeated his call on the British government to tell other EU countries what their intention is.



So Charlie, if they're not saying, instead of moaning you have to say what you want. From the UK and the EU.

You are in a unique position being the foreign minister of the brexit land border. You can't wait! Get your skates on and become a statesman. Foot down and say you will veto anything else. Do it now.

Become a star in 2017.
 


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So Charlie is mad at the brits for all this uncertainty - they don't know what they want.

Minister criticises British government over Brexit strategy


Well they do know, control on immigrants, save payments of £billions pa, plus single market access, and the EU ain't giving it. Sore about losing 1/8th of its budget!

Mr Flanagan on three occasions repeated his call on the British government to tell other EU countries what their intention is.



So Charlie, if they're not saying, instead of moaning you have to say what you want. From the UK and the EU.

You are in a unique position being the foreign minister of the brexit land border. You can't wait! Get your skates on and become a statesman. Foot down and say you will veto anything else. Do it now.

Become a star in 2017.
Charlie couldn't become a star if you were stick an Apollo rocket up his rear and send him into orbit. But I would love to see that though.
 

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Flannels can spout all he like

- the Brits will deal with the Central Powers

- and cut a deal with them

His opinion is irrelevant.

They wont reveal anything until Article 50 is triggered

- and then will see how much they can get away with....
 

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Charlie can demand all he likes. It is very unlikely that London will respond to him when the Cabinet has yet to brief Parliament and the opposition on the Brexit plan- which I believe is what they've said they will do in the first quarter of 2017.

Perhaps Charlie should start reading the papers before making demands in public that will only end in him looking plaintive and foolish.
 

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Charlie can demand all he likes. It is very unlikely that London will respond to him when the Cabinet has yet to brief Parliament and the opposition on the Brexit plan- which I believe is what they've said they will do in the first quarter of 2017.

Perhaps Charlie should start reading the papers before making demands in public that will only end in him looking plaintive and foolish.
He is plaintive and foolish. How else will he look.
 

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He is plaintive and foolish. How else will he look.
I suppose it is useful for various cabinet ministers to demand answers to this that and the other from the UK but in reality the vote has been for the UK to leave the European Union.

It may be more appropriate for Charlie and others in the Irish cabinet to explain what THEIR plans are for a post Brexit EU. Then again as long as Charlie points at the UK people forget to ask what strategic decisions are in hand in Dublin?

Because in reality that is the only area within the Irish Government's purview and the UK Government is under no obligation to keep Charlie in the loop at all.
 

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That's just nonsense.

I'm no fan either, but he's clearly grumpy with the British and clearly right.

There's nothing at all plaintive about him.
Well if there is no resolution in his becoming angry does that not qualify as a rather plaintive strategy?
 

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So Charlie is mad at the brits for all this uncertainty - they don't know what they want.

Minister criticises British government over Brexit strategy


Well they do know, control on immigrants, save payments of £billions pa, plus single market access, and the EU ain't giving it. Sore about losing 1/8th of its budget!

Mr Flanagan on three occasions repeated his call on the British government to tell other EU countries what their intention is.



So Charlie, if they're not saying, instead of moaning you have to say what you want. From the UK and the EU.

You are in a unique position being the foreign minister of the brexit land border. You can't wait! Get your skates on and become a statesman. Foot down and say you will veto anything else. Do it now.

Become a star in 2017.
When the British leader cannot tell her Queen the plan then they do not have one.

Miss May has already stated that she is willing to pay to have access the EU markets. I think her plan was to put off the formal leaving of the EU and do some informal negotiations before hand. This has worked out and the only thing she has done is given the EU time to sort out their position. The fact that this approach has also lost her support in the EU does not help.
 

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Charlie's right. And Ireland is effectively almost powerless, except through any effect Irish concerns may have on British public opinion.
Irish concerns have NO effect on British Public opinion

- unless Bombs are going off in London Town

- and then it was entirely negative.
 

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I don't understand the question.
Charlie doesn't have the means or leverage to force an answer to his question from the UK government. He is also Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade.

There will come a point where trade is discussed and Charlie as Ireland's highest ranking Trade sales rep with the UK which is a major customer for Irish exports should remember when he is sounding off that these things get noticed by the UK Foreign Office.

Charlie might want to pull his nose in a bit. He's not going to get any answers to his demands so he should put his 'Trade' hat on and remember that diplomacy is also an obligation in his role.
 

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When the British leader cannot tell her Queen the plan then they do not have one.

Miss May has already stated that she is willing to pay to have access the EU markets. ....

Nor does the EU. Article 50 never happened before. So CF has his big moment if he wants. I didn't say "compo" but that is what CF should be on about, shamelessly, from the UK and the EU.

Because we're worth it.
 

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Nor does the EU. Article 50 never happened before. So CF has his big moment if he wants. I didn't say "compo" but that is what CF should be on about, shamelessly, from the UK and the EU.

Because we're worth it.
What would you get compo for ?
I doubt the British government has come to a meaningful position on Brexit. They'll probably stumble their way until they find something they can claim is what they wanted all along.
 

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Dont the brits and the EU know full well they are dealing with a weak minority government with Flanagan and Kenny being zombies in chief.
 

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Pat Leahy in IT on all this:

Perhaps Enda Kenny and his Ministers should not have been so hasty is dismissing the idea of the House of Lords committee of a special treaty between Ireland and the UK. Treaty, protocol, special arrangement, special understanding – call it what you will: there is no higher priority for the Government than avoiding the imposition of a hard Brexit.

It is the first national priority. If the British and the rest of the EU – or both – need convincing of the fact, Irish diplomats and politicians had better get busy


Pat Leahy: Brexit is looking worse and worse for Ireland

Looks like the political Establishment are one step short of Funk Mode on what is likely to happen....
 


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