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Brexit: Free Trade Area Between Ireland & UK. No Passport Controls At Border.

TruthInTheNews

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The Irish and UK Governments have already agreed a "plan b" to deal with the Brexit.


  • There will be a free trade area between Britain and Ireland.
  • Irish passport holders will have the right to reside and work in the UK.
  • British passport holders will have the right to reside and work in the Republic.
  • There will be free movement between the Republic and NI.
  • There will be no passport controls at the border.
  • Rather passport controls will be imposed on outbound passengers traveling to Britain at airports and ports in NI. This means that NI residents will have to show passports when traveling to Britain.

The proposals are subject to approval by the EU but both governments are confident that the EU will recognise the close links between Ireland and Britain and approve the measures.
 


Sword of Gideon

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The Irish and UK Governments have already agreed a "plan b" to deal with the Brexit.


  • There will be a free trade area between Britain and Ireland.
  • Irish passport holders will have the right to reside and work in the UK.
  • British passport holders will have the right to reside and work in the Republic.
  • There will be free movement between the Republic and NI.
  • There will be no passport controls at the border.
  • Rather passport controls will be imposed on outbound passengers traveling to Britain at airports and ports in NI. This means that NI residents will have to show passports when traveling to Britain.

The proposals are subject to approval by the EU but both governments are confident that the EU will recognise the close links between Ireland and Britain and approve the measures.
So does that mean Villiers as telling the truth and Cameron and Republicans were telling porkies?
 

physicist

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The Irish and UK Governments have already agreed a "plan b" to deal with the Brexit.


  • There will be a free trade area between Britain and Ireland.
  • Irish passport holders will have the right to reside and work in the UK.
  • British passport holders will have the right to reside and work in the Republic.
  • There will be free movement between the Republic and NI.
  • There will be no passport controls at the border.
  • Rather passport controls will be imposed on outbound passengers traveling to Britain at airports and ports in NI. This means that NI residents will have to show passports when traveling to Britain.

The proposals are subject to approval by the EU but both governments are confident that the EU will recognise the close links between Ireland and Britain and approve the measures.
There is no chance of EU approval for a completely free trade area between Britain and Ireland because Common Agricultural Goods have an external tariff and face customs checks.

This is wishful thinking.

The rest the EU doesn't care about unless the Republic of Ireland moves against the EU's Four Freedoms to accommodate the UK or the UK renege on any bilateral arrangement with itself.
 

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There is no chance of EU approval for a completely free trade area between Britain and Ireland because Common Agricultural Goods have an external tariff and face customs checks.

This is wishful thinking.

The rest the EU doesn't care about unless the Republic of Ireland moves against the EU's Four Freedoms to accommodate the UK or the UK renege on any bilateral arrangement with itself.
The rest of Europe will want access to the UK market especially it's car market, do you really think they will want to leave it to the Japs and Koreans, will they fuk! Deals will be done and business will demand they are done, stand back and watch.
 

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Also the Vote Leave Free Trade Bill from my research ... only would apply to the United Kingdom. Under that proposal the United Kingdom legislates tariff free, customs free zone removing various other legal barriers to encourage open competition from foreign investors into its own domestic market.

Under no circumstance is the something for nothing arrangement where the external ROI CAP goods are allowed into the United Kingdom customs free, as the financial support for Irish farmers depends on it.

Since the Republic of Ireland is not a British colony, that Anglocentric bill will have no legitimacy there.

Newton Emerton sums it all up nicely here...

[video]https://player.vimeo.com/video/163603009[/video]
 

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The rest of Europe will want access to the UK market especially it's car market, do you really think they will want to leave it to the Japs and Koreans, will they fuk! Deals will be done and business will demand they are done, stand back and watch.
Americans buy German cars, Americans pay tarrifs on CAP goods. Boy are you stupid. That's what happens under WTO rules.

Rubbish psychology impresses no one.
 

TruthInTheNews

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There is no chance of EU approval for a completely free trade area between Britain and Ireland because Common Agricultural Goods have an external tariff and face customs checks.

This is wishful thinking.

The rest the EU doesn't care about unless the Republic of Ireland moves against the EU's Four Freedoms to accommodate the UK or the UK renege on any bilateral arrangement with itself.
Yes. Food is the biggest issue, particularly beef and dairy. The other issue is products transshipped via the UK such as New Zealand butter. The British intend to overcome this problem by negotiating a free trade agreement with the EU as part of the exit process. The UK wants to revert to the EFTA.
 

Irish-Rationalist

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The Irish and UK Governments have already agreed a "plan b" to deal with the Brexit.


  • There will be a free trade area between Britain and Ireland.
  • Irish passport holders will have the right to reside and work in the UK.
  • British passport holders will have the right to reside and work in the Republic.
  • There will be free movement between the Republic and NI.
  • There will be no passport controls at the border.
  • Rather passport controls will be imposed on outbound passengers traveling to Britain at airports and ports in NI. This means that NI residents will have to show passports when traveling to Britain.

The proposals are subject to approval by the EU but both governments are confident that the EU will recognise the close links between Ireland and Britain and approve the measures.
The people of the UK have demonstrated that they don't give a f*** for EU approvals or directives as of this morning, so Britain and Ireland being mutual trading partners to mutual benefit, and so geographically adjacent, shouldn't be too concerned about EU approvals or disapprovals. The UK is out of the EU, and the RoI won't want to lose the UK as its closest trading partner.
 

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Americans buy German cars, Americans pay tarrifs on CAP goods. Boy are you stupid.
Are you totally thick? Do you think German car makers (and their work forces) will want tarrifs on their cars which make them uncompetitive against Jap or Korean cars? Do you really think Merkel will allow that to happen, the Brits will likewise want to protect their business interests hence deals will be done. Please think before you post, makes you look like a total dope, but I'm happy to educate you.
 

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Are you totally thick? Do you think German car makers (and their work forces) will want tarrifs on their cars which make them uncompetitive against Jap or Korean cars? Do you really think Merkel will allow that to happen, the Brits will likewise want to protect their business interests hence deals will be done. Please think before you post, makes you look like a total dope, but I'm happy to educate you.
The Germans own most of the car making in Europe and they will give the UK a kicking so that the other counties do not get the same idea.
 

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Yes. Food is the biggest issue, particularly beef and dairy. The other issue is products transshipped via the UK such as New Zealand butter. The British intend to overcome this problem by negotiating a free trade agreement with the EU as part of the exit process. The UK wants to revert to the EFTA.
Yes, but the EFTA doesn't cover agricultural goods or customs checks or proof of origin checks ... The EU is not going to change its policies just to suit the desires of a non-member for what I understand is just abuse in exchange.
 

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The Germans own most of the car making in Europe and they will give the UK a kicking so that the other counties do not get the same idea.
Meanwhile back at the ranch the Japs and Koreans will be laughing all the way to the bank:D
 

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Meanwhile back at the ranch the Japs and Koreans will be laughing all the way to the bank:D
So let me get this straight, the UK negotiates a FTA that doesn't cover CAP goods like they do with every other country in the world ... and if I work and earn enough money to buy a German car covered by said FTA, what is the UK government going to do to make me want a Japanese or Korean one instead so they can play hardball with Angela Merkel for no good reason?

Surely the whole point of a Free Trade Agreement is that governments do not interfere with private purchases?

What you're suggesting smells a lot like protectionism.
 

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So let me get this straight, the UK negotiates a FTA that doesn't cover CAP goods like they do with every other country in the world ... and if I work and earn enough money to buy a German car covered by said FTA, what is the UK government going to do to make me want a Japanese or Korean one instead so they can play hardball with Angela Merkel for no good reason?

Surely the whole point of a Free Trade Agreement is that governments do not interfere with private purchases?
I'll make it simple for you, trade is a two way street, imports & exports, you get that bit?

The EU will not be in a position to put tariffs in place on British goods if they want access to the British markets for their (EU) goods and services, it will be a trade off and it will be driven by business interests both British and EU, deals will be done.

If you can't see that maybe you've had a few too early.
 

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Is that not what the EU is?
The EU has taken some decisions to have protectionist measures like CAP, but that's on something it actively subsidizes. Switzerland, Norway and Iceland don't have zero tariffs on all goods either. There's no reason to believe the UK is going to somehow be unique. Immigration control is a form of protectionism too.

Look if everyone were fans of anti-protectionism and pro-free trade at any cost then we wouldn't have governments negotiating any constraints on trade whatsoever.
 

physicist

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I'll make it simple for you, trade is a two way street, imports & exports, you get that bit?

The EU will not be in a position to put tariffs in place on British goods if they want access to the British markets for their (EU) goods and services, it will be a trade off and it will be driven by business interests both British and EU, deals will be done.

If you can't see that maybe you've had a few too early.
Right so what you are saying that in response to a few tarriffs on food, alcohol etc. that go back to scheme that produces them ... the UK government is going to impose outright trade barriers on their nearest market including cars, manufactured goods etc. simply because it's temperamental and had enough.



So long Free Trade.
 

Northsideman

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Right so what you are saying that in response to a few tarriffs on food, alcohol etc. that go back to scheme that produces them ... the UK government is going to impose outright trade barriers on their nearest market including cars, manufactured goods etc. simply because it's temperamental and had enough.

No not a all, read what I posted, not what you say or think I posted, read what I actually posted.
 


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