Brexit & History

McSlaggart

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Some Irish people have amnesia as well - you wouldn't believe the amount people who forget that England still rules in Ireland today.
 

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Int thread.

Something that I heard just in the last few weeks stuck in my head: an analogy between Brexit and Henry's "Reformation".

King Henry VIII was not a natural sympathiser with the Protestant Reformation. He broke from Rome because he did not get his way with the issue of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon. He wanted the Pope to anull the marriage. Likewise Cameran (not a natural Brexiteer) in the talks in 2015 with Merkel wanted some sort of leeway on the issue of immigration and was not accommodated.

But Phook it, I'm gonna blame those villainous Ruskeys - for the Reformation, that is.
 

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It was the UK that voted to leave the EU thereby threatening to undermine the Good Friday Agreement and erect a hard border on the island of Ireland.

Neither the threat to our economy nor the border question would have arisen but for the fact that the UK voted for Brexit.

Yet sections of the London media have told us Irish to 'shut our gobs' on the issue.

Loads of historical amnesia by the London media there.
 

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It was the UK that voted to leave the EU thereby threatening to undermine the Good Friday Agreement and erect a hard border on the island of Ireland.

Neither the threat to our economy nor the border question would have arisen but for the fact that the UK voted for Brexit.

Yet sections of the London media have told us Irish to 'shut our gobs' on the issue.

Loads of historical amnesia by the London media there.

You need to remember that the British have been very tolerant with Irish people. Why the Irish leader cannot simply take the good will and understanding of the UK government is beyond strange. The border will be sorted once the UK has its deal on the other issues.
 

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You need to remember that the British have been very tolerant with Irish people. Why the Irish leader cannot simply take the good will and understanding of the UK government is beyond strange. The border will be sorted once the UK has its deal on the other issues.
Tolerant? How so?
 

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Did they not give the Irish people jobs? They came to a backward society and almost civilised it for a modern age.




That is typical racist contempt for neighbours which were treated formerly as colonial underlings.

The Brexit issue is really digging up the historical past which we thought the Good Friday Agreement had buried.

If there is not to be a 'hard' border the UK will have to stay in the customs union.

That is just a matter of fact.

London gutter media may not like it but those are the facts.

There would not have been a border on the island of Ireland if unionists, backed by the conservative party, did not commit treason by threatening civil war against setting up a parliament in Dublin for the whole island.

That was passed by the imperial parliament in London in the 1912-14 period and signed into law by the monarch.

There is no option now but to veto any move which allows the UK to bypass the border issue in the negotiations.

Telling paddy to shut his gob is a pathetic return to the London colonial contempt that went on for centuries.
 

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"It was the UK that voted to leave the EU thereby threatening to undermine the Good Friday Agreement and erect a hard border on the island of Ireland."

So what? Are you questioning the right of the people of the UK to vote for what they perceive to be their best interests? As for a "hard border" it could not be too hard for my liking.

"Neither the threat to our economy nor the border question would have arisen but for the fact that the UK voted for Brexit."

How really dreadful. Just fancy that. The people of the UK put their own interests before those of the people of Eire.

"Yet sections of the London media have told us Irish to 'shut our gobs' on the issue."

An excellent suggestion. Where did you Eirefolk get the idea that the rest of humanity exists to be preached at by you?
 

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"It was the UK that voted to leave the EU thereby threatening to undermine the Good Friday Agreement and erect a hard border on the island of Ireland."

So what? Are you questioning the right of the people of the UK to vote for what they perceive to be their best interests? As for a "hard border" it could not be too hard for my liking.

"Neither the threat to our economy nor the border question would have arisen but for the fact that the UK voted for Brexit."

How really dreadful. Just fancy that. The people of the UK put their own interests before those of the people of Eire.

"Yet sections of the London media have told us Irish to 'shut our gobs' on the issue."

An excellent suggestion. Where did you Eirefolk get the idea that the rest of humanity exists to be preached at by you?
This discussion is part of the democratic discourse on the future of Europe a continent that was reduced to rubble by totalitarian/imperial wars for centuries.

You are just quoting the racist English propaganda that has been spewed out for centuries in the gutter London media.

This is the same gutter London media that is now telling the rest of the world that tearing up a treaty signed with nearly thirty other countries in the European Union by voting for Brexit is a good thing.

This is the same gutter London media that is telling us that tearing up the Good Friday Agreement signed with this country by voting for Brexit is also a good thing and will not have any ill effects on cross border movement of goods or people.

The opinion of the gutter London media on what is important is definitely open to question and it is important that the democratic discourse challenges it.

But then what else is new?

Racist English propaganda in the gutter London media blamed the people of this island when a million of them were being starved to death at a time when vast quantities of food was being exported daily to the neighbouring island.

You need to be challenged when you are regurgitating racist English propaganda that has been spewed for centuries by the gutter London media.
 
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It really does feel like brexit is possibly the last strutt supporting the UK being kicked out.

2017 confirmed there's no leadership, botched indecisive election, brexit cabinet only beginning to discuss Brexit now etc... but 2018 is going to be an absolute unicorn slaughter as their place in the world outside the EU becomes materially aparant.
 


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