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Brexit Increases Calls For Border Poll on United Ireland

Irish-Rationalist

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First of all, congratulations to the people of Great Britain, England in particular, for possessing the courage to seize the moment and reclaim their country, it's territory, borders and national sovereignty, and assert its legitimate right to national independence and freedom from the deleterious bureaucratic monster known as the EU.

The EU project has failed and been democratically rejected at the British ballot box. Ideologically imposed mass immigration and multiculturalism have failed and been democratically rejected. If we take the hitherto outlandish and spurious accusations of those within the foolish element of the left of British (and Irish) politics, and apply them to the EU referendum result; 51.9% of the British public who voted for Brexit are unequivocal "racists".

Now that outlandish nonsense is out of the way, let's focus on reality and how Brexit affects the six county inverted British colony in the north-eastern corner of Ireland.

Earlier today, former PIRA commander and remain supporter Martin McGuinness stated "The British government now has no democratic mandate to represent the views of the North in any future negotiations with the European Union and I do believe that there is a democratic imperative for a border poll to be held".

He went on .."We are now in unchartered waters, nobody really knows what is going to happen. The implications for all of us on the island of Ireland are absolutely massive. This could have very profound implications for our economy."

The party's national chairman Declan Kearney said "the question of Northern Ireland remaining as part of the UK had now been brought into sharp focus. We have a situation where the north is going to be dragged out (of the EU) on the tails of a vote in England. That is a huge democratic deficit for our society, building on the existing democratic deficit of partition.

"The British Government have now forfeited its mandate to represent the north of Ireland in relation to the European Union." He added: "We now have a situation where Brexit has become a further cost of partition, a further cost of the Union and Sinn Fein will now press our demand, our long standing demand, for a border poll."

Sinn Fein calls for border poll on united Ireland after Brexit win in EU referendum - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Also, Brexit: surge in 'Irish passport application' searches from Northern Ireland, as Irish passport holders will remain EU citizens, thus making it easier for them to travel throughout the continent.

Brexit: Surge in 'Irish passport application' searches from Northern Ireland - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Question: With Nicola Sturgeon today insisting that another Scottish independence referendum is now inevitable, has Britian, England in particular, inadvertently provided Scottish and Irish Nationalism with the immediate and democratic mean's to achieve their objectives?

Another question:
Given that Brexit has irrevocably ruptured not just the EU, but more pertinently, the UK and Ireland, with NI set to get dragged out of the EU against the democratic wishes of the majority of people of NI who voted against Brexit, would it now be a wise and sensible option for Unionist's who voted against Brexit to apply for an Irish passport and become Irish citizens, thus sustaining their desired membership of the EU?



A happy pinter earlier today.
 


cut the begs

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villiers has the shout on a border poll its signed upto in the g,f,a yep the same gfa we were told was a great thing.
 

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There is a falling nationalist/republican vote. There is no evidence whatsoever tha a border poll would result in unification.

It's a pipe dream. Forget about it.
 

mac tíre

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There is a falling nationalist/republican vote. There is no evidence whatsoever tha a border poll would result in unification.

It's a pipe dream. Forget about it.
There is no evidence whatsoever that a border poll would not result in unification.

Let's not forget about it.
 

Irish-Rationalist

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There is a falling nationalist/republican vote. There is no evidence whatsoever tha a border poll would result in unification.

It's a pipe dream. Forget about it.
But haven't things changed since 6am this morning? With Brexit now a definite, and another Scottish referendum inevitable, can Republicans/Nationalists not expect to experience a resurgence given that many Unionists and an over-all majority of people within NI want to remain within the EU, and the only way to do that now is for NI to re-join with the RoI?
 

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There will more of chance of an increased call from the citizens of the RoI for an IREX than a border poll.
It took someone to take the plunge and more will follow, the richer countries have one less on their side and handouts will slow down.
 

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But haven't things changed since 6am this morning? With Brexit now a definite, and another Scottish referendum inevitable, can Republicans/Nationalists not expect to experience a resurgence given that many Unionists and an over-all majority of people within NI want to remain within the EU, and the only way to do that now is for NI to re-join with the RoI?
Are you now saying that a majority of people in NI who wanted to remain in the EU are likely to vote to leave the UK?
Why does this majority have so much influence on you, when the majority who vote for unionist parties in general and local elections have not.
 

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Are you now saying that a majority of people in NI who wanted to remain in the EU are likely to vote to leave the UK?
That's a matter for them. A majority or people in NI voted against Brexit, so if they want to remain part of the EU they'll have to make a decision on their future; continue with the union with Britain and sacrifice EU membership, or sustain EU membership and relinquish the union with Britain. Decisions, decisions ...

Why does this majority have so much influence on you, when the majority who vote for unionist parties in general and local elections have not.
No artificial and contrived NI majority has influence over me. The Irish majority who voted to leave the UK in 1918 and whose democratic desire was shat on by Unionists and British PM Lloyd George via the undemocratic act of partition are the only majority on this island that have ever held significance.
 

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Are you now saying that a majority of people in NI who wanted to remain in the EU are likely to vote to leave the UK?
Why does this majority have so much influence on you, when the majority who vote for unionist parties in general and local elections have not.
I think the fundamental question is what type of UK NI is considering leaving (or staying in). BREXIT opens the door for Scotland leaving the UK. Let that happen first. Then let the reality of more difficult travel (at least to Europe, if not the RoI); loss of the very substantial amount of EU "peace funds" that have been flowing into NI; and general economic downfall that is going to occur in all of the UK as a result of BREXIT, etc, hit home.

The economic factor cannot be understated. We that post on this board must remember that we are not representative of all the people in the six counties in that I very much doubt that any of our feelings on a UI are ever going to be swayed. But DT is right when he points to a falling demand in polls of recent years iin terms of who is in favour of a UI. But what he isn't considering is how those polls are tied to the rise and fall of the Celtic Tiger. UI polls were looking more and more encouraging during the Tiger years. And they have been looking less and less favourable since. Now as the RoI economy is doing better, and that of the UK will take a serious hit as a result of BREXIT, those practical-minded people who vote with ther wallets will start to come around again.

So the UI question will be very different in a UK where there is no Scotland, where the UK economy is a mess, where travel is more difficult etc, than compared to what the UI question was before today.
 

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https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw9r7FmsHNAhULJsAKHXqbBJwQFghMMAg&url=http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/poll-finds-only-25-of-catholics-wants-united-ireland-now-34172038.html&usg=AFQjCNF6YilCU_fmBW1ZUQzdYzR1j44igg

NI catholics dont want a UI in the short to medium term, with Brexit that % would probably rise. But if their was a question in the Brexit for NI voters, 'vote remain in the EC and a UI', their would have been a minority.
 

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https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw9r7FmsHNAhULJsAKHXqbBJwQFghMMAg&url=http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/poll-finds-only-25-of-catholics-wants-united-ireland-now-34172038.html&usg=AFQjCNF6YilCU_fmBW1ZUQzdYzR1j44igg

NI catholics dont want a UI in the short to medium term, with Brexit that % would probably rise. But if their was a question in the Brexit for NI voters, 'vote remain in the EC and a UI', their would have been a minority.
Its not about religion its economics.......... and lack of trust in London.
 

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Are you now saying that a majority of people in NI who wanted to remain in the EU are likely to vote to leave the UK?
Why does this majority have so much influence on you, when the majority who vote for unionist parties in general and local elections have not.
Don't worry, SOG, we will look upon your Irish passport application very favourably. Say no more, say no more. :)
 

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https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw9r7FmsHNAhULJsAKHXqbBJwQFghMMAg&url=http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/poll-finds-only-25-of-catholics-wants-united-ireland-now-34172038.html&usg=AFQjCNF6YilCU_fmBW1ZUQzdYzR1j44igg

NI catholics dont want a UI in the short to medium term, with Brexit that % would probably rise. But if their was a question in the Brexit for NI voters, 'vote remain in the EC and a UI', their would have been a minority.
The term "EC" stopped being used eons ago, and your mode of expression is frustratingly bad.

Had to be said.
 

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While it could lead to a referendum on Irish unity down the line (though that will only be if the majority show they want it according to terms of GFA) it won't happen anytime soon.

As of today, UK is still a EU member, and will be until 2 years to the day after revoking article 50. And EU member states can even vote to prolong this. UK won't revoke Article 50 for at least 12 months as they need to negotiate the leaving.

It would be unwise to rush a border poll right this minute because of the EU exit.

It would make more sense (in my opinion) to wait and see what kind of deals UK gets after revoking article 50 and seeing what things are like then. If it is rushed now, we will see nothing but scare stories on both sides here as waiting will show the reality of the EU exit the UK has voted on.

Then solid argument's can be made on both sides on how it has and will impact the island. But as it stands, right now UK is still in the EU for, at the very least another 24 months and nothing has been agreed. A border poll right now would not be based on facts from either the Unionists or Nationalists sides and would be solely conjecture.
 

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Waste of time because it won't win and would inevitably be used as a recruiting tool by terrorists on both sides.

However I do believe the share of the Catholic business community in favour of a UI might creep up a bit over Brexit.
 

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While it could lead to a referendum on Irish unity down the line (though that will only be if the majority show they want it according to terms of GFA) it won't happen anytime soon.

As of today, UK is still a EU member, and will be until 2 years to the day after revoking article 50. And EU member states can even vote to prolong this. UK won't revoke Article 50 for at least 12 months as they need to negotiate the leaving.

It would be unwise to rush a border poll right this minute because of the EU exit.

It would make more sense (in my opinion) to wait and see what kind of deals UK gets after revoking article 50 and seeing what things are like then. If it is rushed now, we will see nothing but scare stories on both sides here as waiting will show the reality of the EU exit the UK has voted on.

Then solid argument's can be made on both sides on how it has and will impact the island. But as it stands, right now UK is still in the EU for, at the very least another 24 months and nothing has been agreed. A border poll right now would not be based on facts from either the Unionists or Nationalists sides and would be solely conjecture.
I understand the thrust of your argument but a border poll would require a few years to agree and take place.

We might start to understand the nature of yesterday's vote by then.

Events, dear boy. Events.
 

mac tíre

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Waste of time because it won't win and would inevitably be used as a recruiting tool by terrorists on both sides.
Are you the Irish Nigel Farage? As a post it has no value whatsoever. Inevitable? On both sides? You have not thought this through.

However I do believe the share of the Catholic business community in favour of a UI might creep up a bit over Brexit.
Nice of you to show your RTE knowledge - despite Tommy Gorman's best efforts tonight on 6:01 (where you obviously get your info), many Unionists came out to vote and Nationalists didn't.

And yet, they voted overwhelming to stay in Europe.

You are watching the equivalent to The Sun - and you pay for it. Christ, is it any wonder they tried to hit you lot with water.

Gullible gobshítes.

I apologise for that last sentence. I retract gobshíte.
 

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The fact that Theresa Villiers has said a border poll is unjustified i feel is VERY dangerous. Britain is really starting to make peaceful means impossible in Ireland again which only goes one way. Im keen to watch how Sinn Fein are going to react to this, if they sit back and take it which they obviously will they have weakened themselves massively in the eyes of Republicans
 

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But haven't things changed since 6am this morning? With Brexit now a definite, and another Scottish referendum inevitable, can Republicans/Nationalists not expect to experience a resurgence given that many Unionists and an over-all majority of people within NI want to remain within the EU, and the only way to do that now is for NI to re-join with the RoI?
After that post, I seriously doubt that you are from NI or that you know anything about the unionist people who live there.

As an example, my mother ( much to my disappointment) voted remain. Never in a million years would she vote for a UI.

The republican self delusion is really laughable at this point.

The fact that Theresa Villiers has said a border poll is unjustified i feel is VERY dangerous. Britain is really starting to make peaceful means impossible in Ireland again which only goes one way. Im keen to watch how Sinn Fein are going to react to this, if they sit back and take it which they obviously will they have weakened themselves massively in the eyes of Republicans
If you oppose the GFA just say so. If republicans want to bin the GFA let us know. It's a great time to revert to Direct Rule of that's what you want. That's the options that are available to you.

Nothing else.
 


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