Brexit the DUP and the Irish border



londonpride

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What if the DUP's attitude comes out on top in this Brexit issue. Where does the rest of Ireland stand then

Always remember that throughout history the Europeans nations only gave extremely limited support for Ireland when there was self interest involved.
When no self interest was achievable then any ,even vocal support dissolved.

The Irish must not put too much trust in the EEC
 

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What if the DUP's attitude comes out on top in this Brexit issue. Where does the rest of Ireland stand then

Always remember that throughout history the Europeans nations only gave extremely limited support for Ireland when there was self interest involved.
When no self interest was achievable then any ,even vocal support dissolved.

The Irish must not put too much trust in the EEC



Are you suggesting the Irish trust the Brits moreso than the EU?
 

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What if the DUP's attitude comes out on top in this Brexit issue. Where does the rest of Ireland stand then
How do you envisage that coming about? In the event of a no-deal, i.e. no-backstop Brexit, now looking increasingly likely, the DUP will end up being despised by every unionist business owner or emplyee whose business has suffered, or job is lost as a result of it. And it won't stop there. Their families will suffer also. It is widely accepted by everybody but the very well paid, salaried DUP MPs and MLAs that a no deal Brexit will be a disaster for NI.
And, on the positive side, it will hasten a united Ireland by years. :)


Always remember that throughout history the Europeans nations only gave extremely limited support for Ireland when there was self interest involved.
When no self interest was achievable then any ,even vocal support dissolved.

The Irish must not put too much trust in the EEC
Only one thing is certain - right-wing, racist, Brexit voters, (i.e. the many of the 17.5M who landed you with this clusterfûck) are our mortal enemies.
Fair-weather friends, if that is what the EU are, will do for now.
 

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What if the DUP's attitude comes out on top in this Brexit issue. Where does the rest of Ireland stand then

Always remember that throughout history the Europeans nations only gave extremely limited support for Ireland when there was self interest involved.
When no self interest was achievable then any ,even vocal support dissolved.

The Irish must not put too much trust in the EEC
Ireland is the EEC (see St Patrick and the shamrock for the general principle.)
 

raetsel

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Stay away from that Protestant porter, as I heard it described once during a Guinness strike.
You're from Cork, if I'm not mistaken. Guinness is a far superior stout to Murphy's, and as for that Beamish stuff - it's yuk! Good stout had no religion that last time I checked. :)
 

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What if the DUP's attitude comes out on top in this Brexit issue. Where does the rest of Ireland stand then

Always remember that throughout history the Europeans nations only gave extremely limited support for Ireland when there was self interest involved.
When no self interest was achievable then any ,even vocal support dissolved.

The Irish must not put too much trust in the EEC
Only one European nation occupied Ireland by force and created divisions here that still persist. I'd trust any nation that gave us "limited support" over one that murdered and oppressed us over centuries.

As you should know, the DUP's attitude does not reflect the opinion of the majority in the still occupied area of Ireland that it purports to represent. 56% in NI voted to remain in the EU.

It's not clear what you mean by "What if the DUP's attitude comes out on top in this Brexit issue." If you mean what happens if the UK leaves the EU without accepting the Withdrawal Agreement, thus crashing out without a trade agreement, then the answer is that both Britain and Ireland will both suffer economically. Ireland will suffer in the short term but with the benefit that a united Ireland will be fast-tracked. Britain will suffer both in the short and long term.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. It's a hackneyed old saying but so true.
 

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Speaking at the Leave Means Leave rally Mrs Hoey said she was "very proud to be pro-union".

"We didn't spend 30 years in Northern Ireland stopping IRA terrorists killing soldiers, police, and civilians, in order to get a United Ireland to allow a few jumped-up EU bureaucrats and a complicit prime minister to try and do the same thing by the back door," she said.

"Even more ridiculous is that it would not even be in the economic interests of Northern Ireland who depend so much of their trade, to and from Britain. Why is a British Prime Minister dancing to the tune of an Irish Taoiseach? There's no need for a hard border and there's no need for a backstop."

Northern Ireland comedian Patrick Kielty, an outspoken critic of Brexit, reacted angrily to Mrs Hoey's comments.

"She’s right. We didn’t. We’ve spent 20 years building peace in Northern Ireland. Then seen a United Ireland become more possible thanks to a few jumped up Brexiteers who say they’re actually Unionists," he wrote on Twitter.

"You couldn’t make it up (so they do instead)."
says Labour MP Kate Hoey - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
 

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Speaking at the Leave Means Leave rally Mrs Hoey said she was "very proud to be pro-union".

"We didn't spend 30 years in Northern Ireland stopping IRA terrorists killing soldiers, police, and civilians, in order to get a United Ireland to allow a few jumped-up EU bureaucrats and a complicit prime minister to try and do the same thing by the back door," she said.

"Even more ridiculous is that it would not even be in the economic interests of Northern Ireland who depend so much of their trade, to and from Britain. Why is a British Prime Minister dancing to the tune of an Irish Taoiseach? There's no need for a hard border and there's no need for a backstop."

Northern Ireland comedian Patrick Kielty, an outspoken critic of Brexit, reacted angrily to Mrs Hoey's comments.

"She’s right. We didn’t. We’ve spent 20 years building peace in Northern Ireland. Then seen a United Ireland become more possible thanks to a few jumped up Brexiteers who say they’re actually Unionists," he wrote on Twitter.

"You couldn’t make it up (so they do instead)."
says Labour MP Kate Hoey - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
I'm sure Kielty can pack his bags and vacate the UK at his earliest convenience.
 

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You're from Cork, if I'm not mistaken. Guinness is a far superior stout to Murphy's, and as for that Beamish stuff - it's yuk! Good stout had no religion that last time I checked. :)
That Beamish is langers piss, 'up in Dublin' the pubs sell it cheap to get rid of it....They got rid of a job lot on Dec 8th!
 

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Lest he be murdered by Loyalists eh !.
There were 15 murders in the north in 2017, a lot of them were loyalists killing loyalists, so no harm really.

There were almost 5 times that amount in the south (72), despite the population being just 2.5 times that of the north.

The South is far more violent than the north.

Crime rate increases significantly over past year

Republic of Ireland is deadliest place to live in Irish and British Isles - new figures - Independent.ie
 

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Maybe being a republic is a signal to violent people that guns are an acceptable mode of expression

When you look at global figures ,Republics are the most violent countries

Northern Ireland since the troubles is apparently much more peaceful
Maybe living in the UK is much safer after all.
 

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That Beamish is langers piss, 'up in Dublin' the pubs sell it cheap to get rid of it....They got rid of a job lot on Dec 8th!
I had a pint of it in Connemara years ago of all places, and I still remember it was foul. Murphy's tastes OK but doesn't have the same 'body' as Guinness. You can't get Murphy's here in the north (except possibly in Belfast?) and I don't miss it.
 

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There were 15 murders in the north in 2017, a lot of them were loyalists killing loyalists, so no harm really.

There were almost 5 times that amount in the south (72), despite the population being just 2.5 times that of the north.

The South is far more violent than the north.

Crime rate increases significantly over past year

Republic of Ireland is deadliest place to live in Irish and British Isles - new figures - Independent.ie
The Gardai Control of Gangsters in Ireland is poor . The Northerners could rightly say that the Gardai are a poorly performing Police Force .
 

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There were 15 murders in the north in 2017, a lot of them were loyalists killing loyalists, so no harm really.

There were almost 5 times that amount in the south (72), despite the population being just 2.5 times that of the north.

The South is far more violent than the north.

Crime rate increases significantly over past year

Republic of Ireland is deadliest place to live in Irish and British Isles - new figures - Independent.ie
If anybody gives a toss, 2 of them were loyalist linked.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/2018/01/01/news/15-murders-in-northern-ireland-in-2017-1222255/

Nice lie though.
 


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