BREXIT: the general forum (Second Thread)


Mickeymac

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Exactly Public, the Vitesse was the last of the DS1s. It reminds us of the the time when Mark Thatcher when missing in the Sahara during the Paris-Dakar rally, and the DeLorean company went into receivership in Belfast.

Like you, I love British classic cars, even if they do not work very well. My love of classic British cars is very much like my love of Brexit, which will endure, even if the parts are increasingly hard to source.

Hearts and Minds of British Steel.


Terrible pity Mark did not participate in the South Armagh/Doire border rally around that time.:D
 

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British Cabinet knifing each other ahead of catastrophic defeat in Tuesday's "meaningful vote".

Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) | Twitter
New Cabinet war erupts over May’s Brexit Plan B - make a new cross party Brexit offer or double down on her existing deal.
Downing Street now resigned to Brexit deal being voted down on Tuesday, instead battling to keep defeat under triple figures - seen as the margin needed to keep the agreement alive for a 2nd vote.
Emergency planning underway for PM to make an immediate Commons statement after the defeat, either late on Tuesday or Wednesday, to calm financial markets. May then expected to fly to Brussels for crisis talks with Tusk/Juncker.
Full story:
Theresa Mays Brexit Plan B

Story seems to add up as The Sun has the most reliable sources in the Tories at the moment. Unlike the Mail, Telegraph, Times and Express, it hasn't favoured any of the chancers looking to replace May as leader and is seen as, for want of a better term, an honest broker by the nest of vipers stabbing each other in the back, belly and bollocks in an orgy of harakiri.

Flailing around for any possible way to hang on regardless of the damage to Britian, May's now reduced to crazed last-minute appeals to her backbenchers (spent the last three nights hosting piss-ups in No. 10 after ignoring them ahead of the original vote in December), the unions (whom she's never spoken to up to now), Labour MPs (ditto) and the EU (who've told her to fùck off) although she still refuses point blank to engage with Corbyn, Cable, Sturgeon and Adam Price, the only people who could dig her out of the hole that's closing in around her. Meanwhile, her Cabinet "colleagues" are circling like vultures over the expected carcass, the Brexiteers are trying to figure out whether she's going to turn on them now after she's spent the last week caving into them and the rest of the Tories are looking on aghast from the sidelines as she pulls their party down around them.

However, The Sun confines its story to the British perspective. May can dash all she likes to Brussels but all Juncker and Tusk will offer her are meaningless platitudes that the Brits, for all their bovine stupidity, will immediately see through. Neither are the EU going to waste their time extending Article 50 on a busted flush who couldn't organise a two-car funeral.

To avoid a crashout on the 29th of March, Britain's options are reduced to:
- Calling a General Election in which either Labour or the Tories campaign on revoking Brexit, which will give the EU a reason for extending Article 50
or else
- The House of Commons agreeing to the Six Counties backstop independent of any future deal between Britain and the EU
It's too late now for any other course of action.
 

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British Cabinet knifing each other ahead of catastrophic defeat in Tuesday's "meaningful vote".

Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) | Twitter


Full story:
Theresa Mays Brexit Plan B

Story seems to add up as The Sun has the most reliable sources in the Tories at the moment. Unlike the Mail, Telegraph, Times and Express, it hasn't favoured any of the chancers looking to replace May as leader and is seen as, for want of a better term, an honest broker by the nest of vipers stabbing each other in the back, belly and bollocks in an orgy of harakiri.

Flailing around for any possible way to hang on regardless of the damage to Britian, May's now reduced to crazed last-minute appeals to her backbenchers (spent the last three nights hosting piss-ups in No. 10 after ignoring them ahead of the original vote in December), the unions (whom she's never spoken to up to now), Labour MPs (ditto) and the EU (who've told her to fùck off) although she still refuses point blank to engage with Corbyn, Cable, Sturgeon and Adam Price, the only people who could dig her out of the hole that's closing in around her. Meanwhile, her Cabinet "colleagues" are circling like vultures over the expected carcass, the Brexiteers are trying to figure out whether she's going to turn on them now after she's spent the last week caving into them and the rest of the Tories are looking on aghast from the sidelines as she pulls their party down around them.

However, The Sun confines its story to the British perspective. May can dash all she likes to Brussels but all Juncker and Tusk will offer her are meaningless platitudes that the Brits, for all their bovine stupidity, will immediately see through. Neither are the EU going to waste their time extending Article 50 on a busted flush who couldn't organise a two-car funeral.

To avoid a crashout on the 29th of March, Britain's options are reduced to:
- Calling a General Election in which either Labour or the Tories campaign on revoking Brexit, which will give the EU a reason for extending Article 50
or else
- The House of Commons agreeing to the Six Counties backstop independent of any future deal between Britain and the EU
It's too late now for any other course of action.


Only in the way she moves.................:laugh:


[video=youtube_share;gGtOT1tIAwg]http://youtu.be/gGtOT1tIAwg[/video]
 

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British Cabinet knifing each other ahead of catastrophic defeat in Tuesday's "meaningful vote".

Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) | Twitter


Full story:
Theresa Mays Brexit Plan B

Story seems to add up as The Sun has the most reliable sources in the Tories at the moment. Unlike the Mail, Telegraph, Times and Express, it hasn't favoured any of the chancers looking to replace May as leader and is seen as, for want of a better term, an honest broker by the nest of vipers stabbing each other in the back, belly and bollocks in an orgy of harakiri.

Flailing around for any possible way to hang on regardless of the damage to Britian, May's now reduced to crazed last-minute appeals to her backbenchers (spent the last three nights hosting piss-ups in No. 10 after ignoring them ahead of the original vote in December), the unions (whom she's never spoken to up to now), Labour MPs (ditto) and the EU (who've told her to fùck off) although she still refuses point blank to engage with Corbyn, Cable, Sturgeon and Adam Price, the only people who could dig her out of the hole that's closing in around her. Meanwhile, her Cabinet "colleagues" are circling like vultures over the expected carcass, the Brexiteers are trying to figure out whether she's going to turn on them now after she's spent the last week caving into them and the rest of the Tories are looking on aghast from the sidelines as she pulls their party down around them.

However, The Sun confines its story to the British perspective. May can dash all she likes to Brussels but all Juncker and Tusk will offer her are meaningless platitudes that the Brits, for all their bovine stupidity, will immediately see through. Neither are the EU going to waste their time extending Article 50 on a busted flush who couldn't organise a two-car funeral.

To avoid a crashout on the 29th of March, Britain's options are reduced to:
- Calling a General Election in which either Labour or the Tories campaign on revoking Brexit, which will give the EU a reason for extending Article 50
or else
- The House of Commons agreeing to the Six Counties backstop independent of any future deal between Britain and the EU
It's too late now for any other course of action.


Could never understand why I don't get 100% for my plan on here...........Brits FO outta Ireland........problem solved forever.
 

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The message 17.4m Leave voters are getting from the establishment at the moment
is that it is impossible to effect the political change they so desire, via the ballot box.
Hi Patrick.

Patrick O'Flynn @oflynnmep
The message 17.4m Leave voters are getting from the establishment at the moment is that it is impossible to effect the political change they so desire via the ballot box.
1:48 pm · 11 Jan 2019 · Twitter for Android
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Dr Liam Fox MP on Twitter:



Free UK Trade deal with JAPAN?

Yeeeaahh .. but that free trade deal is via the EU. Once UK leaves EU, they leave that and all other EU trade deals behind them.

And this is the UK Secretary of State for International Trade & President of the Board of Trade

Maybe Im missing something here???

Ah now I get it .. I think what Liam is saying is a ban on UK beef & lamb to Japan has been lifted after 20 years. Probably helped in no little way by the EU / Japan trade deal. SO Fox will now piggy back on this post brexit to form a glorious UK / Japan deal that of course will be WAY better than the EU/Japan trade deal even though the EU market will be north of 450m and the UK market will be 65m.

Of course the UK will get a better deal :D
As has been pointed out before a lot of EU trade deals means they can't get a worse deal than anyone else so the Japs can't give the UK a better deal....

Also how is this reducing the carbon footprint promised by the likes of Gove and others ...?
 

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Could never understand why I don't get 100% for my plan on here...........Brits FO outta Ireland........problem solved forever.
Your discombobulation is simply resolved: The little matter of a border poll that has not yet been won and has little prospect of being won for a few years yet.
 

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https://www.facebook.com/DavidLammyTottenham/videos/767312890292412/

This is really powerful, can someone please "embed it or whatever" it is compulsory viewing. It is a speech in the house by David Lammy MP for Tottenham.

https://www.facebook.com/DavidLammyTottenham/videos/767312890292412/
[TWEET]1083692955972628481[/TWEET]

It contained a little Godwinist hyperbole and some factual mistakes, but the case it made for telling the Leaver the truth is compelling nevertheless. And the passion is undeniable.
 

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John Bruton on BBC r4 today just now. Defending the backstop but (very edgy ) female interviewer asks. him about sinn Fein taking seats in Westminster. John Brutal/Briton (sic) replies that not only should they take them now, they should have taken them in 1922! And that not taking them in 1922 lead to partition! And that abstentionism is "tragic". Not even acknowledging that SF abstention in 1922 led to independence for most of the country.

The Earl of Dunboyne really is a neo-Redmondite.. No surprise there but disgusting behaviour for a former Taoiswach.
 

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John Bruton on BBC r4 today just now. Defending the backstop but (very edgy ) female interviewer asks. him about sinn Fein taking seats in Westminster. John Brutal/Briton (sic) replies that not only should they take them now, they should have taken them in 1922! And that not taking them in 1922 lead to partition! And that abstentionism is "tragic". Not even acknowledging that SF abstention in 1922 led to independence for most of the country.

The Earl of Dunboyne really is a neo-Redmondite.. No surprise there but disgusting behaviour for a former Taoiswach.
Of course the BBC only had the servile sniveling little toady on because they knew he'd tell them what the British want to hear.

Nothing but a performing monkey for his "betters". Ridiculous oaf of a man.
 

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John Bruton on BBC r4 today just now. Defending the backstop but (very edgy ) female interviewer asks. him about sinn Fein taking seats in Westminster. John Brutal/Briton (sic) replies that not only should they take them now, they should have taken them in 1922! And that not taking them in 1922 lead to partition! And that abstentionism is "tragic". Not even acknowledging that SF abstention in 1922 led to independence for most of the country.

The Earl of Dunboyne really is a neo-Redmondite.. No surprise there but disgusting behaviour for a former Taoiswach.
John Bruton is extreme even by FG standards, even most FGers would have some respect for Michael Collins and his legacy but Bruton subscribes to an alternative view of history where independence was possible by peaceful means by following Redmond, and engages in the doublethink of regarding Redmond's support for WW1 as peaceful.

Best ignored.
 

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A good letter in the Irish Times back in 2004 rebutting Bruton: Redmondite Ireland and the resort to physical force

The establishment of an Irish army was accepted by the Irish Parliamentary Party leaders as being required to make sure England conceded Irish self-government in 1915, and it was proved beyond doubt that it was necessary for it to do so, between 1919 and 1921 - albeit for higher stakes.
 
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