BREXIT: the general forum (Second Thread)

petaljam

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There is no flaw in my argument. the current border checks are "internal" yet on the 1st November presumably the border checks will become "external" and yet you are claiming that they will become completely different without any evidence or reasoning to back this up.

I have just stated the facts that currently there are border inspections for livestock without a hard border and after the 1st November there will still be border inspections.
Are the current checks and requirements the same as those for importing New Zealand lamb or Argentinian beef? If they are, then yes they could presumably remain the same - assuming that current EU agreements with NZ or Argentina can be rolled over.

You haven't shown any evidence that this is the case though - your link only gave details for internal UK and EU movements. That's the flaw I mentioned.
 


death or glory

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Are the current checks and requirements the same as those for importing New Zealand lamb or Argentinian beef? If they are, then yes they could presumably remain the same - assuming that current EU agreements with NZ or Argentina can be rolled over.

You haven't shown any evidence that this is the case though - your link only gave details for internal UK and EU movements. That's the flaw I mentioned.
Well they are not going to transport any significant amounts of live animals from either south america nor Australia, all that beef comes refrigerated.
Let's not compare apples with Oranges.
 

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What happens if it is the EU jeapordising the agreement?
Looking at the language being used by the GOP and the Dems, that could only be the case if the EU were forcing the UK to leave the EU.

The trigger event is Brexit. The UK is the party pushing that. They need to come up with the solution to the GOP and Dem’s satisfaction that any changes won’t jeopardise the GFA.

And the UK can try and persuade Pelosi and the GOP and Dem Congress members dependent on Irish votes to stay employed that it’s all Ireland’s fault. Best of luck with that.
 

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Looking at the language being used by the GOP and the Dems, that could only be the case if the EU were forcing the UK to leave the EU.

The trigger event is Brexit. The UK is the party pushing that. They need to come up with the solution to the GOP and Dem’s satisfaction that any changes won’t jeopardise the GFA.

And the UK can try and persuade Pelosi and the GOP and Dem Congress members dependent on Irish votes to stay employed that it’s all Ireland’s fault. Best of luck with that.
You really think the UK is going out on 31 Oct?

Really and truly, like?
 

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Looking at the language being used by the GOP and the Dems, that could only be the case if the EU were forcing the UK to leave the EU.

The trigger event is Brexit. The UK is the party pushing that. They need to come up with the solution to the GOP and Dem’s satisfaction that any changes won’t jeopardise the GFA.

And the UK can try and persuade Pelosi and the GOP and Dem Congress members dependent on Irish votes to stay employed that it’s all Ireland’s fault. Best of luck with that.
Irish votes? In the North East mainly,and they are blue anyway so who cares? you don't even get your own drop down box any more, you are not hispanic, african american or native american. You are living in the past.
 

death or glory

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Trolls would know. It's like a whole continent is trolled.

And you know what happens to trolls.
And Eagle,
Do you and your legal mind actually think that you are not a troll?
 

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LOL but you didnt quote Bolton with his "modular" deal........that way, Pelosi , currently under attack here for her racist policies, doesnt even get a say. LMAO
Uh. Putting them into modules (which won’t happen) won’t remove the need for congress to pass them.

It’s a blue Congress.

The leader of congress and members of the Dems and GOP are saying they won’t vote for this stuff if it’s viewed as damaging the GFA.

And just as they always have: their view of that is pretty much whatever the Irish Govt tells them it is.

This isn’t new. This is just reiterating what the GOP’s King on behalf of the Irish congress working group has been saying for months.

But putting aside the Irish element: there’s nothing in a modular deal for the US. It won’t pass Congress. If there’s no deal on Oct 31st, the U.K. has said 87% of goods will be let in tariff free. So any trade deals going to have to beat that. And that really does just leave agriculture.

And congress won’t pass a deal that doesn’t include it. And before that: congress won’t be asked to pass such a deal. Because the US has never done trade deals just to be nice. They’re not going to start now.
 
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Uh. Putting them into modules (which won’t happen) won’t remove the need for congress to pass them.

It’s a blue Congress.

The leader of congress and members of the Dems and GOP are saying they won’t vote for this stuff if it’s viewed as damaging the GFA.

And just as they always have: their view of that is pretty much whatever the Irish Govt tells them it is.

This isn’t new. This is just reiterating what the GOP’s King on behalf of the Irish congress working group has been saying for months.
It’s a waste of time. You’re dealing with a Trump cultist.
 

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LOL but you didnt quote Bolton with his "modular" deal........that way, Pelosi , currently under attack here for her racist policies, doesnt even get a say. LMAO
Nancy specifically referred to Bolton in her statement. He's not allowed anywhere near trade deals and has no background in international trade.

Pelosi, on the other hand, knows exactly the role, power and limits of Congress and wouldn’t have mentioned 'bipartisan' and 'bicameral' if she didn’t already have the votes in the bag.

Sorry,


Not sorry.
 

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What happens if it is the EU jeapordising the agreement?
What veto power would Nancy Pelosi have over the EU? Where does she or anyone else refer to the EU being anything other than a guarantor and supporter of the agreement?

Read her statement closely this time.
 

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Given she still isnt allowing the USMCA trade deal come to a vote in the House of Representatives, her warnings on a trade deal with the UK should be taken seriously,
 


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