BREXIT: the general forum (Second Thread)


ruserious

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It must really hurt the English to see Ireland have a more powerful say on their future than their own government.
 

sondagefaux

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I doubt there will be any deal so the question is probably moot, but maybe the civil service?
The EU Commission is likely to have a supervisory role, to ensure that the relevant rules are adopted and enforced.

Much of the work of enforcement is done through state agencies, trading standards, local authorities, local or national food safety bodies etc, and presumably they can continue with their work in the absence of a devolved government in Northern Ireland.

The adoption and amendment of regulations through legislation will have to be done at Westminster unless the Assembly gets up and running again.

Most EU regulations can be given legal effect in the member states through Statutory Instruments or their equivalents, although some Directives will need primary legislation, acts of parliament, to be given legal effect.

This would require, in effect, direct rule from Westminster, as not only will the necessary legislation have to be passed there, but the budgets for state bodies required to enfoce the EU regulations would have to be decided by Westminster.

If you're the type of unionist that would prefer direct rule from Westminster, the backstop without any Assembly to legislate for it, is ideal.
 

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The EU Commission is likely to have a supervisory role, to ensure that the relevant rules are adopted and enforced.

Much of the work of enforcement is done through state agencies, trading standards, local authorities, local or national food safety bodies etc, and presumably they can continue with their work in the absence of a devolved government in Northern Ireland.

The adoption and amendment of regulations through legislation will have to be done at Westminster unless the Assembly gets up and running again.

Most EU regulations can be given legal effect in the member states through Statutory Instruments or their equivalents, although some Directives will need primary legislation, acts of parliament, to be given legal effect.

This would require, in effect, direct rule from Westminster, as not only will the necessary legislation have to be passed there, but the budgets for state bodies required to enfoce the EU regulations would have to be decided by Westminster.

If you're the type of unionist that would prefer direct rule from Westminster, the backstop without any Assembly to legislate for it, is ideal.
I feel stormont will never have an assembly sit again. And if it does it will be with a non unionist majority.
 

ruserious

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The EU Commission is likely to have a supervisory role, to ensure that the relevant rules are adopted and enforced.

Much of the work of enforcement is done through state agencies, trading standards, local authorities, local or national food safety bodies etc, and presumably they can continue with their work in the absence of a devolved government in Northern Ireland.

The adoption and amendment of regulations through legislation will have to be done at Westminster unless the Assembly gets up and running again.

Most EU regulations can be given legal effect in the member states through Statutory Instruments or their equivalents, although some Directives will need primary legislation, acts of parliament, to be given legal effect.

This would require, in effect, direct rule from Westminster, as not only will the necessary legislation have to be passed there, but the budgets for state bodies required to enfoce the EU regulations would have to be decided by Westminster.

If you're the type of unionist that would prefer direct rule from Westminster, the backstop without any Assembly to legislate for it, is ideal.
Good point on the direct rule from Westminster. It almost invites long term British paralysis. I doubt Scottish and Welsh MPs will help to bring in legislation to make NI better equipped to deal with brexit than their own countries.
 

ruserious

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I feel stormont will never have an assembly sit again. And if it does it will be with a non unionist majority.
No Stormont will never come back if Brexit goes ahead. SF have nothing to gain from it and everything to gain from standing up for the nationalist majority.
 

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I feel stormont will never have an assembly sit again. And if it does it will be with a non unionist majority.
I agree and suspect that SF and the Irish Government are planning tentatively on that basis.
 

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