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Brian HAYES the next leader of FG


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Wise old owl?

I think you have just disavowed your name. You must be stone cracking mad. Brian Hayes? The guy Who makes Sen Fergal Browne sound almost intelligent and user friendly?
Brian Hayes comes across to the people outside of Dublin as what me mammy would say , "a bit of a smart alec sleeveen". And remember if FG was dependent on Dublin there would not be much of a party.
Listen back to any of his appearances on Vincent Browne over the past 5 years when he was decimated and the silly thing was that he was not smart enough to realise that at the time and kept digging. he is a good local politician who will get elected on and off. Eric Byrne springs to mind!

Some people suggest Paul Kehoe (Wex) as a future possibility.
Simon Coveney blew it really badly in 2 interviews in 12 hours on the last day of the campaign. Imagine what Biffo would do to him with the wind in his sails. Mairead McG has lost her chance. She is now even older than me!

I must say that in the brief time I saw him near the end of the election campaign i was very very impressed with the naturalness and confidence of young John Paul Phelan of Kilkenny who will shine in the future. I do not know him nor did i vote for him so I am not flying a kite. (But Phil might not let him develop)

I have looked through FG's list of 51 and very few shine. Denis Naughton, Shane McEntee and probably Joe Mc Hugh but they will need Enda to keep an even keel for next 4 years.
 

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Re: Wise old owl?

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I have looked through FG's list of 51 and very few shine.
Best FG performer in the election was bookie Ivan Yates. Serious armtwisting is needed to get him to re-enlist and contest the coming Mayo bye-election.
 

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All I can say about that is..

Put Hayes in a debate head to head with Cowen.. and FG would be lucky to come out of an election with 20 seats
 

the leader

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Ya we all know what happens when a crap leader goes on a debate, SF lose a seat.
So much for yer 10 seats.
 

rockofcashel

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yadda yadda yadda leader..

Guess what .. Caoimhín O Caoláin has as much chance of being elected Taoiseach next Thursday as Enda Kenny

and by the way, the last 4 FG leaders who returned 51 seats to the Dail for FG, either resigned or were sacked.
 

the leader

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wow im so glad your so interested in the history of FG, do u want do jump a sinking ship and join one that is steaming ahead?

And i maybe wrong here but those last 4 leaders, I don't think anyone of them gained 20 seats.
Plus they didn't become leader when the party was just after being slaughtered at the polls, our internal party structure was a disaster and we had no money.

so rock yadda yadda yourself.
 

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the leader said:
wow im so glad your so interested in the history of FG, do u want do jump a sinking ship and join one that is steaming ahead?

And i maybe wrong here but those last 4 leaders, I don't think anyone of them gained 20 seats.
Plus they didn't become leader when the party was just after being slaughtered at the polls, our internal party structure was a disaster and we had no money.

so rock yadda yadda yourself.
Look Leader, they didn't gain 20 seats, because they weren't stupid enough to lose 23.. .

the fact is, Enda Kenny's performance as leader of is one of the worst in terms of seats won in the party's history.. this is a fact

Garret Fitzgerald resigned after winning 50 seats (1 less), John Bruton was booted out after winning 54 (3 more).

Enda Kenny had a very good performance this time, when compared against a humiliatingly bad by Michael Noonan..

On your last 8 election performances, a good result was followed by a bad result, so don't count your chickens just yet
 

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rockofcashel said:
On your last 8 election performances, a good result was followed by a bad result, so don't count your chickens just yet
indeed ROC's right on this, FG need to give serious consideration to the future if there is to be a break through 60 plus seats and a serious contention of being in government. there are some good ppl and great policies in FG however there seems to be a real problem in getting this across to the electorate whom ultimately decide the matter
 

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rockofcashel said:
On your last 8 election performances, a good result was followed by a bad result, so don't count your chickens just yet
You criticise Enda Kenny. That's fine, nothing new there.

Your election bid was a stunning failure. So will you be making way for someone better on the next occasion?
 
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Dr bob is talking sense. There is a real chance that FG will become redundant now. If Greens form a government with FF as now looks likely then there is no option of a rainbow coalition next time. Labour as I have said before have 3 TD's younger than Brendan Howlin who will be 58 come next election and I predict a max of 15 seats for them. FG have to mean something to people. For the past 4 years they have promised policies "when the election time comes around" but were in no way innovative over the time. In fact the last innovative thing they suggested was repaying shareholders for money lost in Eircom shares.

They need a new idea because they only look good with 51 seats because they dropped so seriously last time.

Sean Barrett (63), Olivia Mitchell, PJ Sjeehan (74) for starters won't be a platform to a attract young voters.
 

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BarryW said:
rockofcashel said:
On your last 8 election performances, a good result was followed by a bad result, so don't count your chickens just yet
You criticise Enda Kenny. That's fine, nothing new there.

Your election bid was a stunning failure. So will you be making way for someone better on the next occasion?
when is your brilliant mind going to put itself before an electorate ?

Well.. a real one..

Not one that might be swayed by a badly written e-mail designed to blacken a member of your own party
 

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rockofcashel said:
All I can say about that is..

Put Hayes in a debate head to head with Cowen.. and FG would be lucky to come out of an election with 20 seats
Tom Hayes would make a far better leader than Brian Hayes. There are 49 FG members of the Dail that rank ahead of Hayes in terms of leadership qualities...we maybe 50 its close though

Mind you criticism of the leadership of any party by anybody in SF is rich, given the quality of their leadership and they way Adams was filleted by McDowell.
 

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hmmm.... criticism of the leadership of FG ?

When did he become leader of FG ?

I'm ranking the possibility of Brian Hayes ever having to come up against Brian Cowen.. the best Hayes would manage is a sympathy vote after the mauling Cowen would give him..

and as regards comparing leadership, Adams has achieved a hell of a lot more in his political career than Enda Kenny has
 

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Re: Wise old owl?

Apparatchik said:
Retired Tallyman said:
I have looked through FG's list of 51 and very few shine.
Best FG performer in the election was bookie Ivan Yates. Serious armtwisting is needed to get him to re-enlist and contest the coming Mayo bye-election.
Ivan Yates is the best leader they never had, If they had convinced him to stay on in 02 he would be Taoiseach today. As for Brian Hayes! That's a sure way to lose all those seats the regained.
 

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Yates left because FG would never have elected a Protestant leader.

Hayes won't ever be leader for the same reason.

That may sound sectarian, but it isn't meant to.

It's just something a FG grassroot person told me once.
 

Tigrrr

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Yates left because FG would never have elected a Protestant leader.
Oh FFS... where are you getting this crap?

rockofcashel said:
the leader said:
wow im so glad your so interested in the history of FG, do u want do jump a sinking ship and join one that is steaming ahead?

And i maybe wrong here but those last 4 leaders, I don't think anyone of them gained 20 seats.
Plus they didn't become leader when the party was just after being slaughtered at the polls, our internal party structure was a disaster and we had no money.

so rock yadda yadda yourself.
Look Leader, they didn't gain 20 seats, because they weren't stupid enough to lose 23.. .

the fact is, Enda Kenny's performance as leader of is one of the worst in terms of seats won in the party's history.. this is a fact

Garret Fitzgerald resigned after winning 50 seats (1 less), John Bruton was booted out after winning 54 (3 more).

Enda Kenny had a very good performance this time, when compared against a humiliatingly bad by Michael Noonan..

On your last 8 election performances, a good result was followed by a bad result, so don't count your chickens just yet
Remember how Ireland beat England by 30 points at Croker there last February?
Well, Ireland er... technically... lost that game because a few years ago I saw England trash us by 40 points at Lansdowne Road, so actually Ireland lost that match by 10 points. So really we're back where we started. Boo.

Seriously, how on earth can someone from a party who actually dropped in numbers, criticise a party that won twenty? It just defies all common sense. In some places, like Donegal, Fine Gael actually took two seats that virtually had Sinn Fein's name on them!

Fine Gael is up 20 seats since the last time the people spoke, that's about as many as we could have hoped for (indeed many said it was utterly unrealistic).
We're not basing our results on 1997, we're not basing it on 1982, we're not even basing it on 1922 figures. We're judging our victory on the basis of where we were directly before the election, and where we now are after it. You are only as good as your last election.

The reason other parties are focusing on elections from the history books is because like Sinn Fein they've lost seats or else just failed to make even mildly impressive gains.

As for the topic at hand, mmm BH doesn't stand out, there are a few others in there with lots of potential. As young candidates go, I'd be more likely to place money on Creighton.
Or what about Olwyn and Joe doing a Bill and Hillary on it?
 

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no-one is suggesting that FG had a bad election.. hell, how many more times do I have to say they did well for it to sink in..

however, it seems so much better, because they were so poor in the election prior to this.
 

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rockofcashel said:
and as regards comparing leadership, Adams has achieved a hell of a lot more in his political career than Enda Kenny has
As Garrett FitzGerald wrote in the Irish Times after SF crashed in the election, The Republic just isn't ready to have a British MP meddling in our affairs once again.
 

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rockofcashel said:
Yates left because FG would never have elected a Protestant leader.

Hayes won't ever be leader for the same reason.

That may sound sectarian, but it isn't meant to.

It's just something a FG grassroot person told me once.
I think Ivan retired to make money. Good and all as he was, he still had the weakness that he was not from Dublin. I can assure you that it is not religion that stands in the way of Brian Hayes assuming the leadership.

Religion is not an obstacle to leading any party in the Republic, despite what a so called grassroots allegedly told you.

I reckon the probability of there being a Protestant leader of FF,FG,LAbour in this Republic is way higher than SF in the next 25 years.
 
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