Britain has never faced up to the shame of empire.

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Interesting article in the wake of Brexit about an issue that's been raised many times but never followed through with much in the way of action. In the UK they don't learn much in school about the colonial history and whatever they do learn is whitewashed. I'm often amazed at the lack of awareness of many British people about what actually went down under the Union Jack. Just as Ireland needs to emerge from its adolescent phase of a dwindling isolationist theocracy by facing certain issues head-on, Britain needs to emerge from its blood soaked past in the same manner because the issues won't go away, they will always deeply underpin the prevailing narrative and culture. National identity and love-of-nation is not for everyone but if you're an atavist and claim pride under your flag then you have to take the whole package with no cherry-picking.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/3d9jdw/britain-has-never-faced-up-to-the-shame-of-empire
 


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It kind of explains why they voted Brexit. They think that they can just return to the old economic systems they had pre entry to the EU.

They can't honestly believe they have the ability to reestablish the thieving empire again so they must not remember that their economic success was primarily built on going into a country killing all the people and robbing the valuables.

Its why they are so confused now when everybody is asking them what economic model they intend on establishing post exit.

"We will just go back to the good old empire!"..... eh, no, no you won't. You're a tiny country now without any of the military advantages you once had.
 

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The pub patriot Provo-supporting, Catholic State for a Catholic people heads,
exporters of corrupt, racist people to the US / Australia etc, specialists
in clientilist, corrupt politics and kneejerk racists to any intake of
immigrants ourselves, ( we superior Irish on the high moral ground ) will
always be there to remind the Brits of their 'shame'....:D
 

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Its certainly true that Britain has a really hard time accepting that its days of ruling the land and the seas are over, which is why it clings to the coattails of the USA to try to stay relevant in todays world.
 

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There were some places where the populace were better off with colonisation than what preceded it, India for example.
 

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It could be dangerous because a nation with a violent past that they mythologise and venerate will hark back to that violent past in desperate times.
The Germans are (so far) a peaceful nation, not without a modern non-violent aggressive streak in terms of politics and business of course but peaceful nonetheless. They were forced to look at their past behaviour, they had their nose well and truly pushed into the poo and even now there is a small minority who look back at Nazism with nostalgia.
Britain never really had to look at their imperial past and even now there are a plethora of historians and columnists who refer to it in overwhelmingly positive terms, that is a recipe for disaster.
Probably not going to get an honest mature debate on this site about it, there is a nice little wedge of post-colonial syndrome sufferers, right wing authoritarians and imperial triumphalists who can't hear a bad word about it.
To be clear, the vast majority of everyday Brits would be as appalled as this woman if they had an inkling of the pain and suffering their empire caused:
Emma Willis's 'Who Do You Think You Are?' Unearths Grisly Family Secret | HuffPost UK
 

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Interesting article in the wake of Brexit about an issue that's been raised many times but never followed through with much in the way of action. In the UK they don't learn much in school about the colonial history and whatever they do learn is whitewashed. I'm often amazed at the lack of awareness of many British people about what actually went down under the Union Jack. Just as Ireland needs to emerge from its adolescent phase of a dwindling isolationist theocracy by facing certain issues head-on, Britain needs to emerge from its blood soaked past in the same manner because the issues won't go away, they will always deeply underpin the prevailing narrative and culture. National identity and love-of-nation is not for everyone but if you're an atavist and claim pride under your flag then you have to take the whole package with no cherry-picking.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/3d9jdw/britain-has-never-faced-up-to-the-shame-of-empire
Not this crap again.... Zoo

At School we learned loads about our Empire, pluses and minuses.
 

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Not this crap again.... Zoo

At School we learned loads about our Empire, pluses and minuses.
You might have, and we have your opinion for it but I have heard multiple accounts of people saying that they got an awful shock when they actually looked up the history of say Kenya or India or Ireland.
 

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British Empire: Students should be taught colonialism

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/13/michael-goves-claims-about-history-teaching-are-false-says-research

Shashi Tharoor Asks Britain Why They Don't Teach Schoolchildren Colonial History

"Scott Harrison, an adviser to Ofsted on history, said at a conference last week that in some cases teaching about the empire amounted to one lesson during the three years of Key Stage Three, for pupils aged 11 to 14, and virtually nothing at GCSE.
The Times Educational Supplement reported Mr Harrison as saying: "Is devoting, typically, a lesson on empire in a three-year history course sufficient, given the subject's significance? I have to say it is not sufficient."

Meanwhile another voice says that the little taught is about guilt:
"Chris McGovern, the director of the History Curriculum Association, who has advised the Government on history teaching, said: "What is being taught in schools is the empire as a means of promoting a guilt complex.
"There is only an interest in it if it can be shown as part of social education, to show injustice. The British Empire is used to illustrate social injustice."

Paxman
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050320/Jeremy-Paxman-attacks-education-erasing-British-Empire-history.html

http://theconversation.com/school-curriculum-continues-to-whitewash-britains-imperial-past-53577
 

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Even people in the old former colonies never questioned that the British Empire was anything but A Good Thing, and upon which the Sun Never Set. In the mid 1900s more countries on maps of the world were coloured pink than any other colour, indicating they were governed by the Brits, or had been, and/or were part of the Commonwealth. Even the Opium Wars with China were glossed over.

Clearly nowadays is an age of revisionism, and a good thing too.
 

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Even people in the old former colonies never questioned that the British Empire was anything but A Good Thing, and upon which the Sun Never Set. In the mid 1900s more countries on maps of the world were coloured pink than any other colour, indicating they were governed by the Brits, or had been, and/or were part of the Commonwealth. Even the Opium Wars with China were glossed over.

Clearly nowadays is an age of revisionism, and a good thing too.
Revisionism is good but it seems that the most prominent form for the BE most recently was the Neil Ferguson sort.
 

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British Empire: Students should be taught colonialism

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/13/michael-goves-claims-about-history-teaching-are-false-says-research

Shashi Tharoor Asks Britain Why They Don't Teach Schoolchildren Colonial History

"Scott Harrison, an adviser to Ofsted on history, said at a conference last week that in some cases teaching about the empire amounted to one lesson during the three years of Key Stage Three, for pupils aged 11 to 14, and virtually nothing at GCSE.
The Times Educational Supplement reported Mr Harrison as saying: "Is devoting, typically, a lesson on empire in a three-year history course sufficient, given the subject's significance? I have to say it is not sufficient."

Meanwhile another voice says that the little taught is about guilt:
"Chris McGovern, the director of the History Curriculum Association, who has advised the Government on history teaching, said: "What is being taught in schools is the empire as a means of promoting a guilt complex.
"There is only an interest in it if it can be shown as part of social education, to show injustice. The British Empire is used to illustrate social injustice."

Paxman
Jeremy Paxman attacks education system for erasing British Empire from history | Daily Mail Online

School curriculum continues to whitewash Britain
Ah, we didn't learn the RIGHT history ......
 

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// Even the Opium Wars with China were glossed over.

Clearly nowadays is an age of revisionism, and a good thing too.

A Hong Kong friend told me the opium sales ended in 1912.

It's the silly season, next we'll be hearing about the indian, irish, african, polish, romanian and caribbean colonisations of britain... and how the natives really minded quite a lot.
 

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That is very debatable
Put it like this - at that time there were loads of Empires. If you weren't colonising, you were being colonised.

Anybody who thinks that if the British Empire hadn't been around then the colonies in the British Empire wouldn't have had any foreign interference is a naive or ignorant fool. And If you were going to be colonised, then you were better off under the British Empire than the French or Spanish or the Germans or the Danes etc etc The Americans have a smelly colonial history

The Irish cannot separate themselves from the Imperial past. They colonised huge parts of the UK. They too were slavers long before the British Empire. And during the British Empire they were enthusiastic supporters and participants in the Imperial Project. And after Independence it was suggested to de Valera that Ireland should establish a colony ....

People bleating about the Imperial past remind me of kids greeting at wildlife programs .... why did the nasty film crew not stop the lion from eating the cuddly antelope?
 

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There were some places where the populace were better off with colonisation than what preceded it, India for example.
That's absolute nonsense. Millions of Indians died thanks to the British empire.
 

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There are only 22 out of about 200 countries that the British have not attacked.



One has to admire their enthusiasm.
 


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