British Army Declare Northern Ireland Not British.


Newrybhoy

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That would be a reflection of economic standing in both cases, hardly an argument for the non existence of state discrimination. As for protestants in the south they at peak were 10% of the population so your question is f@cking stupid.
In 1992, 76 per cent of working age Protestants were economically active, compared with 66 per cent of working age Catholics. By 2016, these figures had fallen to 75 per cent for Protestants, but risen to 74 per cent for Catholics.
In 1992, 24 per cent of working age Protestants were economically inactive compared with 34 per cent of working age Catholics, a 10 percentage point difference. In 2016, the rates were 25 per cent for Protestants and 26 per cent for Catholics.
The Executive Office published the Labour Force Survey Religion Report 2016 on Wednesday. It examines the labour market characteristics of Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland.
Between 1990 and 2016, the proportion of the population aged 16 or over who reported as Protestant decreased from 56 per cent to 44 per cent. The proportion who reported as Catholic increased from 38 per cent to 42 per cent.

Catholics face higher unemployment than Protestants in North
Note the fall in Protestant numbers is mirrored by the rise in those professing no religion.
 

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Note the fall in Protestant numbers is mirrored by the rise in those professing no religion.
Lol, ok, if that fits your insecurities fair enough, but that is a mathamatic impossibility. Catholics and Protestants in 1990 accounted for 56+38=94% of the workforce. In 2016 it was 44+42=86%. So the 'neither' has gone from 6% to 14%, or an 8% change, yet the protestant proportion of the workforce has declined by a whopping 12%, while Catholics are up 4%. Your implication that all the 'neither' are really protestants is laughable as it is pitiful. Your knuckles are getting white from all that clinging on.
 

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Lol, ok, if that fits your insecurities fair enough, but that is a mathamatic impossibility. Catholics and Protestants in 1990 accounted for 56+38=94% of the workforce. In 2016 it was 44+42=86%. So the 'neither' has gone from 6% to 14%, or an 8% change, yet the protestant proportion of the workforce has declined by a whopping 12%, while Catholics are up 4%. Your implication that all the 'neither' are really protestants is laughable as it is pitiful. Your knuckles are getting white from all that clinging on.

A border poll if held next week would produce something like a 56% in favour of unity, after the full dreadful effects of Brexit on the sic county people, in say a year or so, that percentage figure could show a 70% result.
 

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Keeping the gloves on was a mistake that perpetuated the criminality. Had they treated it as a war, it would have been over in a fortnight.

NI is geographically not British.

NI is politically British.

Hope that clears it up for you.
Send an indignant letter to the MOD. They clearly have a very different view.
 

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There were more Catholics in social housing than Prods a fact seemingly forgotten. No one was intimidated by Police who did not involve themselves in confrontations with them, the vast majority. Employment discrimination happened on both sides throughout NI depending on who was the majority.

If you were in receipt of DLA you were entitled to a car. Amazingly the biggest areas in receipt of these were west Belfast, Derry and Strabane.
Again, you are in complete contradiction with the British Army official report. And any other report you care to mention other than some Orange Order report you're probably taking to bed with you every night.

On discrimination I direct you to the following points as recorded by Her Majesties Armed Forces or whatever term you like to use.

206. Northern Ireland was given its own constitution the same year, in a set of measures which were seen initially as temporary pending the unification of the North and South by mutual consent. Unionists won 40 of the 52 seats in Stormont and effectively institutionalised their own position of advantage. One of Stormont’s early acts was to remove the safeguards for the catholic minority. All important posts were held by protestants, and local elections were manipulated to ensure a protestant advantage. For example, in Londonderry 19,000 protestants controlled eight of the 12 wards, leaving only four for 36,000 catholics. This gave the minority effective and permanent control of the city council.

207. By the early 1960s discrimination had become institutionalised. It was not that legislation was discriminatory in itself, but rather that the way it was applied in practice discriminated against the catholic minority. In 1969 Londonderry was the most deprived city in the United Kingdom. 33,000 of the 36,000 catholics were crowded into the Victorian slums of the Creggan and the Bogside. Unemployment in Londonderry was the highest in the UK. A similar pattern applied in Belfast (with a population of 385,000) and many of the other towns throughout Northern Ireland.

208. Traditional industries such as shipbuilding, textiles and manufacturing declined after 1945. By the late 1960s poverty and social deprivation in the catholic enclaves of Londonderry and Belfast was appalling. In some cases families of 14 lived in four rooms, with children aged five woken at 2a.m. every night to roam the streets, in order to allow sleeping in shifts. This deprivation and discrimination was well known in Stormont. Captain Terence O’Neill, elected as Prime Minister in 1963, was seen as a responsible reformer with a genuine wish to improve the lot of the catholics.

214. The Cameron Report4 looked at the events of August and September. It concluded that Stormont discriminated against catholics; that the B Specials were partisan; and that the RUC used unnecessary violence, lacked discipline, were generally inept and were ineffective due to a lack of numbers. The Hunt Enquiry into policing in Northern Ireland delivered its report on 3 October.5 It resulted in wide reform of the RUC and, in particular, recommended the disbandment of the B Specials.
 

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Again, you are in complete contradiction with the British Army official report. And any other report you care to mention other than some Orange Order report you're probably taking to bed with you every night.

On discrimination I direct you to the following points as recorded by Her Majesties Armed Forces or whatever term you like to use.

206. Northern Ireland was given its own constitution the same year, in a set of measures which were seen initially as temporary pending the unification of the North and South by mutual consent. Unionists won 40 of the 52 seats in Stormont and effectively institutionalised their own position of advantage. One of Stormont’s early acts was to remove the safeguards for the catholic minority. All important posts were held by protestants, and local elections were manipulated to ensure a protestant advantage. For example, in Londonderry 19,000 protestants controlled eight of the 12 wards, leaving only four for 36,000 catholics. This gave the minority effective and permanent control of the city council.

207. By the early 1960s discrimination had become institutionalised. It was not that legislation was discriminatory in itself, but rather that the way it was applied in practice discriminated against the catholic minority. In 1969 Londonderry was the most deprived city in the United Kingdom. 33,000 of the 36,000 catholics were crowded into the Victorian slums of the Creggan and the Bogside. Unemployment in Londonderry was the highest in the UK. A similar pattern applied in Belfast (with a population of 385,000) and many of the other towns throughout Northern Ireland.

208. Traditional industries such as shipbuilding, textiles and manufacturing declined after 1945. By the late 1960s poverty and social deprivation in the catholic enclaves of Londonderry and Belfast was appalling. In some cases families of 14 lived in four rooms, with children aged five woken at 2a.m. every night to roam the streets, in order to allow sleeping in shifts. This deprivation and discrimination was well known in Stormont. Captain Terence O’Neill, elected as Prime Minister in 1963, was seen as a responsible reformer with a genuine wish to improve the lot of the catholics.

214. The Cameron Report4 looked at the events of August and September. It concluded that Stormont discriminated against catholics; that the B Specials were partisan; and that the RUC used unnecessary violence, lacked discipline, were generally inept and were ineffective due to a lack of numbers. The Hunt Enquiry into policing in Northern Ireland delivered its report on 3 October.5 It resulted in wide reform of the RUC and, in particular, recommended the disbandment of the B Specials.

He and his ilk Niall have been told all those facts frequently over the years, but, like most unionists, chose to ignore and deny such facts.
 

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He and his ilk Niall have been told all those facts frequently over the years, but, like most unionists, chose to ignore and deny such facts.
I thought they might at least listen to their own beloved heroes.
 

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Again, you are in complete contradiction with the British Army official report. And any other report you care to mention other than some Orange Order report you're probably taking to bed with you every night.

On discrimination I direct you to the following points as recorded by Her Majesties Armed Forces or whatever term you like to use.

206. Northern Ireland was given its own constitution the same year, in a set of measures which were seen initially as temporary pending the unification of the North and South by mutual consent. Unionists won 40 of the 52 seats in Stormont and effectively institutionalised their own position of advantage. One of Stormont’s early acts was to remove the safeguards for the catholic minority. All important posts were held by protestants, and local elections were manipulated to ensure a protestant advantage. For example, in Londonderry 19,000 protestants controlled eight of the 12 wards, leaving only four for 36,000 catholics. This gave the minority effective and permanent control of the city council.

207. By the early 1960s discrimination had become institutionalised. It was not that legislation was discriminatory in itself, but rather that the way it was applied in practice discriminated against the catholic minority. In 1969 Londonderry was the most deprived city in the United Kingdom. 33,000 of the 36,000 catholics were crowded into the Victorian slums of the Creggan and the Bogside. Unemployment in Londonderry was the highest in the UK. A similar pattern applied in Belfast (with a population of 385,000) and many of the other towns throughout Northern Ireland.

208. Traditional industries such as shipbuilding, textiles and manufacturing declined after 1945. By the late 1960s poverty and social deprivation in the catholic enclaves of Londonderry and Belfast was appalling. In some cases families of 14 lived in four rooms, with children aged five woken at 2a.m. every night to roam the streets, in order to allow sleeping in shifts. This deprivation and discrimination was well known in Stormont. Captain Terence O’Neill, elected as Prime Minister in 1963, was seen as a responsible reformer with a genuine wish to improve the lot of the catholics.

214. The Cameron Report4 looked at the events of August and September. It concluded that Stormont discriminated against catholics; that the B Specials were partisan; and that the RUC used unnecessary violence, lacked discipline, were generally inept and were ineffective due to a lack of numbers. The Hunt Enquiry into policing in Northern Ireland delivered its report on 3 October.5 It resulted in wide reform of the RUC and, in particular, recommended the disbandment of the B Specials.
can we take it that you now feel the British Army to have the definitive view on all things?

If you are impoverished and living in 1 room do you feel that it is incumbent upon yourself not to have 14 children?
 

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can we take it that you now feel the British Army to have the definitive view on all things?

If you are impoverished and living in 1 room do you feel that it is incumbent upon yourself not to have 14 children?
The brit army that served in the six counties are now living on the streets of England - what would they give for a loving Irish family and 14 children- they can’t even afford a Irish passport that the rest of England are scrambling to get- you would walk past them like everyone else-
 

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can we take it that you now feel the British Army to have the definitive view on all things?

If you are impoverished and living in 1 room do you feel that it is incumbent upon yourself not to have 14 children?
Doing their bit to fix the demographics - everyone has to play their part :D


You too can sign along Newrychild

 

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The brit army that served in the six counties are now living on the streets of England - what would they give for a loving Irish family and 14 children- they can’t even afford a Irish passport that the rest of England are scrambling to get- you would walk past them like everyone else-
Ach now mick sure the drones are all on DLA and the Armani council are all millionaires so pray do tell just who got shafted...,
 

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Ach now mick sure the drones are all on DLA and the Armani council are all millionaires so pray do tell just who got shafted...,
come out you british huns come out and fight without your guns, you planters
 

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False accusations can be costly.......see McGimpsey:ROFLMAO:
come out you boston huns come out and fight without your guns, you racists
 

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can we take it that you now feel the British Army to have the definitive view on all things?

If you are impoverished and living in 1 room do you feel that it is incumbent upon yourself not to have 14 children?
Are you suggesting that the British Army would tell a few fibs? Surely not?
 

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Are you suggesting that the British Army would tell a few fibs? Surely not?
Northern Ireland is British. Its not part of GB but its part of the UK. They are British citizens (whether they choose to claim it or not, they are legally British citizens, the GFA is about passports), enlist in the British army, watch the British Broadcasting Corporation. Hawaians are Americans.
Brit·ish
[ˈbridiSH]

ADJECTIVE

  1. relating to Great Britain or the United Kingdom, or to its people or language.
  2. of the British Commonwealth or (formerly) the British Empire.
NOUN
(the British)
the British (plural noun)

  1. the British people.
ORIGIN
Old English Brettisc ‘relating to the ancient Britons’, from Bret ‘Briton’, from Latin Britto, or its Celtic equivalent.

Northern Ireland is British as long as its occupied by crown forces and annexed into the UK. So lets unite and work together for our republic.
 

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Who achieved their war aims?
did the British flee in helicopters from the roof of Stormont, or realistically getting a minibus to the car ferry the RAF being to idle to provide decent photogenic moment :)?
PIRA gave up.
The loyalists were too stupid to realize they won the Republicans were too clever to admit they lost.
although a communist friend of mine pointed out if your "plan" is to defeat the British army with a couple of hundred of gunmen your out of luck and think you can win a war of attrition against the British that's not going to work either and it didn't did it?
 
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