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British Army murder of unarmed nationalist unjustified.


Just Jack

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The HET has found that the British Army murder of prominent republican Joe McCann was unjustified.

The report found that McCann was unarmed when he was shot and that 'Joe's actions did not amount to the level of specific threat which could have justified the soldiers opening fire in accordance with the Army Rules of Engagement or their standard operating procedures'

Source: Army killing of IRA man 'unjustified' - UTV Live News

This murder happened just weeks after the British Army’s rampage in Derry, which culminated in the deaths of 14 innocent nationalists.

It is good that Joe’s family can have justice. However, there are many more families out there who do not. Much of the British Army’s terror and destruction in Ireland has been swept under the carpet.

I think this case highlights the need for an independent truth commission to examine the deaths caused by all combatant forces.
 

theloner

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It also found the RUC didn't investigate the criminal act of the BA properly either. Holding the line indeed.
 

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I think this case highlights the need for an independent truth commission to examine the deaths caused by all combatant forces.
+1
 

SgtBilko

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The report found that McCann was unarmed when he was shot .
Virtually every victim of the Republican terrorist groups were 'unarmed' when they were killed. Joe McCann was a leader of one of those Republican terror groups.

No sympathy from this quarter.
 

Swords Hoopster

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I think this case highlights the need for an independent truth commission to examine the deaths caused by all combatant forces.
I disagree entirely. All these enquiry's should be stopped. Just move on. Its over.
 

Just Jack

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Virtually every victim of the Republican terrorist groups were 'unarmed' when they were killed. Joe McCann was a leader of one of those Republican terror groups.

No sympathy from this quarter.
The overwhelming majority of the IRA’s casualties were members of the colonial forces, they were certainly not unarmed.
 

Just Jack

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I disagree entirely. All these enquiry's should be stopped. Just move on. Its over.
Let sleeping dogs lie?

A fair point, perhaps?

But then that would allow the erroneous discourse of the Troubles to go on unchallenged.

The British state, their agencies and institutions, were the main protagonist force in this conflict, and their role must be examined.
 

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Joes attack on John Taylor probably sealed his fate.
 

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Let sleeping dogs lie?

A fair point, perhaps?

But then that would allow the erroneous discourse of the Troubles to go on unchallenged.

The British state, their agencies and institutions, were the main protagonist force in this conflict, and their role must be examined.
"their role mus be examined" - Just the British state's role?
"main protagonist" - That may be your view, please bare in mind that others living within NI look back on the troubles from an entirely different perspective and see the "main protagonists" now in government in NI.
 

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The overwhelming majority of the IRA’s casualties were members of the colonial forces, they were certainly not unarmed.
Many of those were 'off duty' kills......just like the one you are whinging about...Joe McCann's.
 

Just Jack

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"their role mus be examined" - Just the British state's role?
As already stated:
I think this case highlights the need for an independent truth commission to examine the deaths caused by all combatant forces.


"main protagonist" - That may be your view
That is the view of many people. The IRA didn’t start this war. The war started them.
 

Swords Hoopster

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Let sleeping dogs lie?A fair point, perhaps?But then that would allow the erroneous discourse of the Troubles to go on unchallenged.The British state, their agencies and institutions, were the main protagonist force in this conflict, and their role must be examined.
Aye, let sleeping dogs lie. It does no good to the young people who were born post-troubles to keep churning up sh*t from that era. They have to be given the best chance of a future free from bitterness and hatred.

They may well have been the main protagonists but the other side think the opposite and no-one will ever agree so its best just to move on IMO.
 

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Aye, let sleeping dogs lie. It does no good to the young people who were born post-troubles to keep churning up sh*t from that era. They have to be given the best chance of a future free from bitterness and hatred.

They may well have been the main protagonists but the other side think the opposite and no-one will ever agree so its best just to move on IMO.
Republicans cannot "Let it lie",as they need conflict and division to maintain their electoral position.The emergence of the "Northern Irelanders" has scared the life out of them.Hence the flags and now the border poll.
 

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Many of those were 'off duty' kills......just like the one you are whinging about...Joe McCann's.
The thing is, most of the IRA killings were admitted and many of them done lengthy spells in goal, the reverse is true with the sec forces.
 

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Republicans cannot "Let it lie",as they need conflict and division to maintain their electoral position.The emergence of the "Northern Irelanders" has scared the life out of them.Hence the flags and now the border poll.
With respect DT, Loyalists are guilty of similar division. The extremists of both colours are messing it up for everyone.

I agree with you RE the "Northern Irelanders". Ever since the troubles ended and Nationalists were granted equality, it has actually made them more content to live in NI. When you're getting a fair crack of the whip and are as equal as your Protestant neighbour, you'd be far less inclined to want to change the status quo and take a leap into the unknown. It is ironic that SF, having secured equality for CNR's (as they see it), its now less likely that some of those will vote for a UI!

What's even more astonishing is how traditional Unionism has been so blind to this simple fact that by discriminating against people and beating them down, they were making a United Ireland/dissolution of the Union much more likely. It seems to me at least that they still haven't learned their lesson. If they quit the partisanship and offered a genuine hand of friendship to nationalists, they would secure the Union perhaps for evermore.
 

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You almost sound like you are justifying them.
You justified the killing of one of his men earlier in the thread. Why shouldn't he justify the killing of one of yours?

You Sir, are a nincompoop. Open your eyes would you?

P.S. You gonna take down that avatar when wee Rory refuses to play for Great Britain? petunia
 
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