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British Foreign Office includes Israel on list of 28 countries 'of concern'.


meriwether

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Uh oh, its an Israel thread!

The BFO has included Israel on a list of 28 countries of concern regarding human rights and democracy, specifically in relation to its treatment of Palestinians.

Link here: UK rights report: Israel a 'count... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

(as an aside, read the readers comments - always good craic).

Is this report significant?

It is in relation to the fact that its further sign that Israel is becoming ever so gradually diplomatically isolated - and the reason for this is its attitude to the two state solution, not some anti-semitic nonsense the usual suspects will try to dress it up as.

Israel can try to solve the Palestinian issue, or it can decide to become an international pariah, with its only unconditional ally being the US (a good one tio have, granted), and even that is a bit slippy, what with Obama not exactly enamoured with Bibi and/or his policies.
 

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Uh oh, its an Israel thread!

The BFO has included Israel on a list of 28 countries of concern regarding human rights and democracy, specifically in relation to its treatment of Palestinians.

Link here: UK rights report: Israel a 'count... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

(as an aside, read the readers comments - always good craic).

Is this report significant?

It is in relation to the fact that its further sign that Israel is becoming ever so gradually diplomatically isolated - and the reason for this is its attitude to the two state solution, not some anti-semitic nonsense the usual suspects will try to dress it up as.

Israel can try to solve the Palestinian issue, or it can decide to become an international pariah, with its only unconditional ally being the US (a good one tio have, granted), and even that is a bit slippy, what with Obama not exactly enamoured with Bibi and/or his policies.
This should be a cause of concern for Israel. The UK has been a staunch ally. The usual right wing blimpish comments in the JP show the air of unreaity that pervades the Israeli right. They press on pigheadedly not seeming to notice the growing diplomatic isolation. Having the US as an ally is useful but sooner or later a President will arrive who doesn't give two hoots about Israel.
 

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This should be a cause of concern for Israel. The UK has been a staunch ally. The usual right wing blimpish comments in the JP show the air of unreaity that pervades the Israeli right. They press on pigheadedly not seeming to notice the growing diplomatic isolation. Having the US as an ally is useful but sooner or later a President will arrive who doesn't give two hoots about Israel.
I looked at the full 28 and it isn't exactly a group of countries that Israel would want to be put with. At that it does include other democraies or at least electoral democraies (rather than Liberal Democries) Columbia and Iraq.
 

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I looked at the full 28 and it isn't exactly a group of countries that Israel would want to be put with. At that it does include other democraies or at least electoral democraies (rather than Liberal Democries) Columbia and Iraq.
Can you post a link to full list please.
 

meriwether

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I looked at the full 28 and it isn't exactly a group of countries that Israel would want to be put with. At that it does include other democraies or at least electoral democraies (rather than Liberal Democries) Columbia and Iraq.
I'm sure you can appreciate that this list does not give each country an equal weighting of human rights concerns - that is, the BFO don't rate Israel as big an offender as, say, Iran.
 

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I'm sure you can appreciate that this list does not give each country an equal weighting of human rights concerns - that is, the BFO don't rate Israel as big an offender as, say, Iran.
It is not in the same planet human rights wise but it is an orange light all the same.
 

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I'm sure you can appreciate that this list does not give each country an equal weighting of human rights concerns - that is, the BFO don't rate Israel as big an offender as, say, Iran.
Of course.

I imagine there is previous lists and I imagine Israel was not on it previously hence the news story, while I presume Iran etc. were.
 

meriwether

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Of course.

I imagine there is previous lists and I imagine Israel was not on it previously hence the news story, while I presume Iran etc. were.
There's the possibility that the BFO view Israel's behavious as having disimproved (hence the new inclusion) or Israel didn't have enough credit in the international lobby stakes this time around to keep themselves off the list.
 

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If you read the section about Israel, you'll see that a lot of it is taken up with criticism of the statements of Hamas.
 

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Interesting times ahead with the road now open to Palestinian recourse to the International Criminal Court over Israel's violation of international law.

Israel has been a strategic liabity to the US for years now. It is only the muscle of the lobby in Washington that prevents the US from adopting a more realist and self-interested approach.
 

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You've become very reasonable and measured recently.

Whats that about?
When the facts change I change my mind. Nethanyahu is bad for Israel which, thanks to the influx of Russians with their primitive views, has veered rightward to become more nationalistic.
 

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When the facts change I change my mind. Nethanyahu is bad for Israel which, thanks to the influx of Russians with their primitive views, has veered rightward to become more nationalistic.
Interesting, I had previously given no thought whatsoever to whether changing demographics from Jewish immigrants were significant in Israel.
 

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Interesting, I had previously given no thought whatsoever to whether changing demographics from Jewish immigrants were significant in Israel.
Over a million Russians in the last 2 decades. Russians tend to like the Strong Man. They like authority and in Russian culture the strong dominate the weak. I am not saying they are all like that but it is a strong streak in their culture. Robert Fisk once noted it was Russian speaking Israelis that were the most cruel towards the Palestinians. Israel since its inception was dominated by European Jews who were liberal types with strong multicultural views. That influence has waned unfortunately.
 

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Another factor in the rightward drift is the rise of the Haredi or Ultra Orthodox. The reason is simple.. they have many more children than secular Jews. The average Haredi woman has 7 children.

The Ultra Orthodox have more representation in the Knesset now. One of the reasons that the waiver of compulsory military service was such a hot button issue for Netanyahu.
 

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Over a million Russians in the last 2 decades. Russians tend to like the Strong Man. They like authority and in Russian culture the strong dominate the weak. I am not saying they are all like that but it is a strong streak in their culture. Robert Fisk once noted it was Russian speaking Israelis that were the most cruel towards the Palestinians. Israel since its inception was dominated by European Jews who were liberal types with strong multicultural views. That influence has waned unfortunately.
Intriguing point....
 

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Another factor in the rightward drift is the rise of the Haredi or Ultra Orthodox. The reason is simple.. they have many more children than secular Jews. The average Haredi woman has 7 children.

The Ultra Orthodox have more representation in the Knesset now. One of the reasons that the waiver of compulsory military service was such a hot button issue for Netanyahu.
True. Here is a good article on the cost of allowing the Haredi cave dwellers get away with it.....Israel's Ultra-Orthodox Problem - Newsweek and The Daily Beast
 
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