British-Irish govt proposals published

Dame_Enda

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Proposals would repeal the 1737 law that banned Irish being spoken in court (the Welsh equivalent of this law was repealed in 1863). Would allow assembly members to speak in English or Irish with simultaneous translation. It would establish an Irish language Commissioner and a Commissioner to promote Ulster Scots and "Britishness". Reform of petition of concerned planned to prevent one party using it as a veto. There would be three commissioners for ministerial standards to police a ministerial code (presumably to avoid more RHI scandals), but they would be chosen by the DUP and SF. Theres also provisions closing down RHI and on bringing family members into the UK.

Seems DUP leadership and most MLAs are on board, but maybe not all. Steve Aiken of UUP says party reserving judgement.



 
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Wan can see the signs now...

YE ARU NAW ENTRINGZ FREE LONDONDAFFY, HI...
 

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Isn't it for the best if we all have compulsory ullans and irish lessons?

Otherwise we'd have an unnatural advantage over the rest of humankind, by saving 12 hours a week.
 

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All MLAs need to self designate now, which language they wish to speak. And then use that language at all times, for all speeches, meetings etc.
 

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This deal resolves the Emma De Souza case - the British government will in effect recognise Irish citizenship alone as a birthright.

That is Irish citizens in the north will be treated as Irish citizens in London - we will not be viewed as British by foreign office immigration rules.
 

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This deal resolves the Emma De Souza case - the British government will in effect recognise Irish citizenship alone as a birthright.

That is Irish citizens in the north will be treated as Irish citizens in London - we will not be viewed as British by foreign office immigration rules.
I haven't read the entire agreement. Where is that specified?
 

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Proposals would repeal the 1737 law that banned Irish being spoken in court (the Welsh equivalent of this law was repealed in 1863). Would allow assembly members to speak in English or Irish with simultaneous translation. It would establish an Irish language Commissioner and a Commissioner to promote Ulster Scots and "Britishness". Reform of petition of concerned planned to prevent one party using it as a veto. There would be three commissioners for ministerial standards to police a ministerial code (presumably to avoid more RHI scandals), but they would be chosen by the DUP and SF. Theres also provisions closing down RHI and on bringing family members into the UK.
Sounds like a colossal waste of money to indulge a bunch of political children. Reduce salaries and expenses to zero when the Assembly is suspended, and they'd grow up fairly sharpish.
 

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This deal resolves the Emma De Souza case - the British government will in effect recognise Irish citizenship alone as a birthright.

That is Irish citizens in the north will be treated as Irish citizens in London - we will not be viewed as British by foreign office immigration rules.
Not correct. The proposals don't affect British citizenship law. Someone born in NI will continue to automatically acquire British citizenship at birth, and if they wish to be Irish alone, they will need to renounce their British citizenship.
 

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Not correct. The proposals don't affect British citizenship law. Someone born in NI will continue to automatically acquire British citizenship at birth, and if they wish to be Irish alone, they will need to renounce their British citizenship.
Thats the current status. The vague information is that it will change.
 

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Thats the current status. The vague information is that it will change.
The information isn't that vague at all. And no, nothing in the information suggests citizenship law itself will change.

It says that if the Executive is restored, the family reunification rules will be changed to allow people of NI to have broad the same family reunification rights as Irish people in the UK. In other words, all people of NI, regardless of citizenship will have the more generous family reunification rights afforded under EU law (retained for the purposes of citizens' rights under the EU withdrawal agreement) rather than the less generous rights afforded for UK citizens under domestic law.

The fix is reasonably clear.
 

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Changing it was a commitment by the British to change their antiquated legislation.
There is no commitment to changing citizenship law.

There is a commitment to changing family reunification rights for people of Northern Ireland who hold British or British and Irish citizenship.
 

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There is no commitment to changing citizenship law.

There is a commitment to changing family reunification rights for people of Northern Ireland who hold British or British and Irish citizenship.


Under the terms of the GFA, people in the NE Counties of Ireland can be British/Irish or both.
 


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