Bruton doesn't guarantee that ASTI industrial action won't cost Junior Cert students marks.

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ASTI's stance over Junior Cert 'unfortunate'

Fianna Fáil TD Thomas Byrne asked Minister Bruton if he could guarantee that students in ASTI schools would not lose marks.

Mr Bruton said he could not make that guarantee.

In a statement issued this morning, Mr Byrne said that children in ASTI schools are facing punishment in their State examinations due to matters outside their control.

"The Government should not be using students' grades as a bargaining chip with unions. We cannot allow a situation to develop where children are penalised as a result of this industrial dispute.

"The minister needs to change his attitude on this immediately," Mr Byrne added.
Why can Bruton not make that guarantee?

Why did the ASTI still not accept the JCSA in the most recent ballot on the issue?

PS: I'm puzzled by the lack of discussion of ASTI industrial action at present on this forum.
 
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Junior cert is a BS exam. No one should be allowed leave school after it.

Not to belittle the effort by teachers and more importantly, pupils...
 

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Bruton can't guarantee that he will be in Government next Week.
 

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Well, duh! Bruton can't guarantee pupils won't lose marks. Why? Because ASTI is refusing to implement part of the Junior Cert. One of the bits that pupils will get marks for. Pass Maths 101 and all that! :)

Anyhoo, you might more profitably direct your question at the educational dinosaurs in ASTI.
 

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ASTI's stance over Junior Cert 'unfortunate'



Why can Bruton not make that guarantee?

Why did the ASTI still not accept the JCSA in the most recent ballot on the issue?

PS: I'm puzzled by the lack of discussion of ASTI industrial action at present on this forum.
Why should he make that guarantee?



If there are two kids doing the same exam and one has a better performance than the other, why should the second candidate have their grades uplifted?
 

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Why should he make that guarantee?



If there are two kids doing the same exam and one has a better performance than the other, why should the second candidate have their grades uplifted?
The students of ASTI members are barred from undergoing this assessment. Why shouldn't an accommodation be made for those students so that they won't be disadvantaged? Why not just count the written exam, which represents 90% of the result in JCSA English, as 100% in the case of the students of ASTI members? That's what is done with regard to students in secondary schools that don't provide the optional oral exam in Irish in the present Junior Cert.
 

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Costing JC students marks in English just because industrial action by their teachers prevents them from undergoing assessment while the students of TUI members are not affected would violate the principle of equality and would thus be unconstitutional.
 

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The students of ASTI members are barred from undergoing this assessment. Why shouldn't an accommodation be made for those students so that they won't be disadvantaged? Why not just count the written exam, which represents 90% of the result in JCSA English, as 100% in the case of the students of ASTI members? That's what is done with regard to students in secondary schools that don't provide the optional oral exam in Irish in the present Junior Cert.
Why should a student who does the complete course be denied recognition of this because some workshy teachers refuse to teach others?
 

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Costing JC students marks in English just because industrial action by their teachers prevents them from undergoing assessment while the students of TUI members are not affected would violate the principle of equality and would thus be unconstitutional.
Why would it be unconstitutional because teachers refuse to supply the service they are paid to supply?
 

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Why should a student who does the complete course be denied recognition of this because some workshy teachers refuse to teach others?
Nothing to do with workshy. They have genuine issues...they are mistaken, but they think they are right.
 

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Why would it be unconstitutional because teachers refuse to supply the service they are paid to supply?
Unconstitutional because students of ASTI members would be disadvantaged while students of TUI members are able to undergo the assessment, i.e. equality. The assessment should take place only if students in all schools get to sit it.
 

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Why should a student who does the complete course be denied recognition of this because some workshy teachers refuse to teach others?
Because of the issue of fairness concerning those students who are prevented from sitting the assessment by their teachers' industrial action. If those students can't get to sit it, no student should get to sit it.
 

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Unconstitutional because students of ASTI members would be disadvantaged while students of TUI members are able to undergo the assessment, i.e. equality. The assessment should take place only if students in all schools get to sit it.
All students have the same opportunity.

The fact that Asti, as ever, sticks the boot in to frustrate access does not negate the fact that the state has offerred all students the same opportunity.
 

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Because of the issue of fairness concerning those students who are prevented from sitting the assessment by their teachers' industrial action. If those students can't get to sit it, no student should get to sit it.
The problem is asti's , not the states.

But then, getting Asti to ever, ever, agree to anything that doesn't put more money in their pockets, or reduce their already ridiculously short working year is an impossible task.

And it's all in the interests of education, you know.
 


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