Budget 2011: What cute hoor stroke will FF pull today?

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Budget 2011 is the last budget FF will introduce before the general election early next year. The budget will be delivered by a Minister for Finance who wants to become Taoiseach and lead FF into that campaign. Under those circumstances it is almost certain that FF will pull another cute hoor stroke in this budget. If FF are to survive GE 2011 Lenihan will want to give FF candidates something to sell on the doorsteps.

Previous examples of FF in pre-election mode were decentralisation and SSIA's. It could be said that FF do not have any room for manoeuvre this time round given the state of the economy and the presence of the IMF in Merrion St. Maybe, maybe not.

We know that the state pension will not be touched in this budget. FF will not want to drive away the OAP demographic which it is currently relying on. FF have also suspended real public sector reform by leaving the Croke Park Agreement gather dust. Nothing will be done now to further annoy public sector workers. That will be left to FG.

I think Lenihan will make an attempt today to attract back struggling middle class voters to the FFamily. It is that demographic which accounts for a significant proportion of FF's lost vote since 2007.

One idea I had would see FF suspending the levy it imposed on the banks for the guarantee and ordering the banks (most of which we own now) to use that spare cash to renegotiate residential mortgages to take account of post-boom conditions. I'm just throwing the idea out there and don't know how it would work in practice.

What do ye think? Will Lenihan announce some "good news" today and, if so, what will it be?
 
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Big cuts in the salary of the Taoiseach, Ministers and TDs but not in their pensions. Come early next year there won't many FFers affected.
 

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Big cuts in the salary of the Taoiseach, Ministers and TDs but not in their pensions. Come early next year there won't many FFers affected.
Yep, all that is coming today. However, I don't think that would be enough to stabilise/grow FF's support. I think they need a "big idea".
 

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One idea I had would see FF suspending the levy it imposed on the banks for the guarantee and ordering the banks (most of which we own now) to use that spare cash to renegotiate residential mortgages to take account of post-boom conditions.
Crosses fingers and prays to God...
 

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the only good news they could bring is that they will work night and day for the next few weeks to get the finance bill published and get on with the election... or have they alreay decided against the 1 month recess and I didn't hear about it
 

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Crosses fingers and prays to God...
That idea wasn't me participating in wishful thinking Bobby. Just to clarify, I don't have a mortgage.

You can be certain that FF will pull a stroke today. FF in election mode is a thing to behold - as we all know to our cost.
 

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I hope Lendahand starts by saying 'Well I said last year that we had turned a corner, what I failed to mention is we are on a roundabout'

"I don't accept THAT" - I mislead the house.
 

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I'm hoping he gives a special bonus payment to all 40 year old males living west of the shannon !!

What?? Ah come on - there's only a few of us !!
 

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The budget was written by the EU/IMF and dictated to Ireland as a condition of the bailout. Read the Memorandum. The EU/IMF now controls the Irish government. Next year's budget has already been dictated to Ireland, as have the budgets for the next five years.

Each one requires more and more cuts to government spending and higher and higher taxation. So that more and more of Ireland's tax monies can go to (1) banks and (2) the EU/IMF (Europe's banks).

If this budget is approved, it tells the world that the Irish government has submitted to foreign rule.

This budget must not pass. If it does, irremediable harm has been done to Ireland's sovereignity and to the constitutional rule of law.
 

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that we're out of the euro

bank of ireland has just frozen up - see the rest of the banks go in next 1/2 hour due to some "national network issue" - then announced at budget
 

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That idea wasn't me participating in wishful thinking Bobby. Just to clarify, I don't have a mortgage.

You can be certain that FF will pull a stroke today. FF in election mode is a thing to behold - as we all know to our cost.
I don't think so. For the last years Fianna Fail have been completely devoid of all ideas, including to use your term cute hoor strokes. They won't touch pensioners and maybe you could class that as I cute hoor stroke if you really want.

I'd expect this one to follow the pattern of the last few, a lot of random cuts and taxes to try to bring the deficit down and keep the EU happy, no strategy or vision or plan or anything behind those cuts and a lot of very strong rhetoric about how this will save Ireland, which will be proved wrong pretty much instantly.
 

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This budget must not pass. If it does, irremediable harm has been done to Ireland's sovereignity and to the constitutional rule of law.[/QUOTE]




it wil pass, why? because our political class have never ever put irelands sovereignty or its peoples welfare ahead of its own greed. ireland is dead and gone, for the time being at least. it needs to be torn down and rebuilt.
 

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Watch for comments about betting tax: Las Thurles will be hiding in there.
I can't stand Michael Lowry, but if some foreign company wants to bring a much needed €460 million into this god forsaken country and spend it in a jobs black spot I have no problem with it. I can't understand those who are against this, it smacks of the high moral ground at its worst.
 

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I can't stand Michael Lowry, but if some foreign company wants to bring a much needed €460 million into this god forsaken country and spend it in a jobs black spot I have no problem with it. I can't understand those who are against this, it smacks of the high moral ground at its worst.
I don't think the Casino is what bothers people so much. It's the fact that one of our TDs, is deciding the crucial vote in one of the most important budgets in the history of the state, which most people oppose and from a government most people oppose, seemingly solely on the basis of whether he can get this casino or not.
 

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nowt on booze or fags.......................that'll get em back in at the election.
If they tax cigs any higher they will only feed the ever growing black economy, can't see it happening.
 

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I don't think the Casino is what bothers people so much. It's the fact that one of our TDs, is deciding the crucial vote in one of the most important budgets in the history of the state, which most people oppose and from a government most people oppose, seemingly solely on the basis of whether he can get this casino or not.
I can fully appreciate the sentiment of people in the way you describe it. However I don't think that dislike of Michael Lowry should influence the decision on the casino. Also I don't believe that FG will oppose the casino next year if they ever want a hope of getting back the seat in Tipperary North that Lowry holds now.

The way I look at it is that its an inflow of €460 that might keep a couple of thousand people off the dole while it is being built even if it never opened. Providing the funds come from 100% outside the state it should be left go ahead.
 


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