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Building a Hospital on a flood plain


fiannafailure

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I received some absolutely shocking information today, apparently Cork planners gave planning permission for a private hospital to be built on a flood plain at Lancaster Gate, despite submissions from local residents that warned of the danger of flooding, the planning decision was appealed to an Bord Pleannala and a decision is due next Wednesday.

Last week the site was under 6 feet of water, and included in the new facility will be a storage area for medical waste, including radioactive items, in the basement.

Surely sense will prevail and this will be shot down by Bord Pleannala
 

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I received some absolutely shocking information today, apparently Cork planners gave planning permission for a private hospital to be built on a flood plain at Lancaster Gate, despite submissions from local residents that warned of the danger of flooding, the planning decision was appealed to an Bord Pleannala and a decision is due next Wednesday.

Last week the site was under 6 feet of water, and included in the new facility will be a storage area for medical waste, including radioactive items, in the basement.

Surely sense will prevail and this will be shot down by Bord Pleannala

That would be this application?

Pleanála: 234479: Lancaster Gate, Lancaster Quay, Cork. (09/33915)


Just to be clear here the location of the site is right in the centre of Cork city, if that's a flood plain then so is the entire city centre. When do we start demolishing the lot?
 

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Unfortunately, the Bord is not able to accept late submissions. Perhaps we should them a bucket of water with the reference number on the outside.
 

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That would be this application?

Pleanála: 234479: Lancaster Gate, Lancaster Quay, Cork. (09/33915)


Just to be clear here the location of the site is right in the centre of Cork city, if that's a flood plain then so is the entire city centre. When do we start demolishing the lot?
KingKane

The site is on the western road, on the outskirts of the city centre, over the last 10 years this road has flooded many times, buildings that are already there are one problem but would you really build a hospital there.

There were photos in the press recently illustrating the problems of evacuating patients from the Mercy hospital in army trucks, should we now buy more trucks for the army in order to facilitate this new hospital.

The ESB cannot guarantee that this site will not be flooded in the next few years, if the Iniscarra dam is holding too much water it must be released, it is only right that we make sure that there is not a new hospital in the way.
 

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Unfortunately, the Bord is not able to accept late submissions. Perhaps we should them a bucket of water with the reference number on the outside.
In the original application, (09/33915) both the water department and the drainage dept asked for more information before the application could be progressed, and yet it was, without the extra information and in the minimum statutory time frame.

An Bord Pleannala cannot accept any new information officially, hopefully the members of the Board occasionally watch the News at 6
 
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fiannafailure

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No, but it will have a pontoon.
Or it could simply be built on higher ground.

If this goes ahead there really is no hope for the country and we have not learnt any lessons from the recent past.
 

Baron von Biffo

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I received some absolutely shocking information today, apparently Cork planners gave planning permission for a private hospital to be built on a flood plain at Lancaster Gate, despite submissions from local residents that warned of the danger of flooding, the planning decision was appealed to an Bord Pleannala and a decision is due next Wednesday.

Last week the site was under 6 feet of water, and included in the new facility will be a storage area for medical waste, including radioactive items, in the basement.

Surely sense will prevail and this will be shot down by Bord Pleannala
Any idea if the taxpayer will be subsidising the building and running of this establishment via tax breaks? Sorry, stupid question given who our minister for health is.
 

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Anyone know who are the tax incentived investors in this aqua-health facility?
I dont know about tax incentives or investors but the developer goes by the name of O Callaghan.

A very upright gentleman I am sure, perhaps he might change his mind about the site after last week
 

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This hospital will stand as the symbol of everything that went wrong over the past decade. Made possible by our failed planning system and Harney's aim to privatise the health service
 
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Remember the hotel that was flooded in Cork a couple of weeks ago? The Kingsley?
Didn't the old public baths used to be where the submerged car park currently resides? The same public baths that were filled from water coming in from the Lee?

What bloody genius let someone build a carpark on the site of a naturally-filled swimming pool? FFS!
 

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I dont know about tax incentives or investors but the developer goes by the name of O Callaghan.

A very upright gentleman I am sure, perhaps he might change his mind about the site after last week

I wonder would it be the same O Callaghan that Bertie arranged permission to build the Golden Island shopping centre in Athlone on the eve of calling the 2002 election,It was the local dump with plenty of soakage, now its concrete causing flooding to move to other built up areas last week.
 

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Remember the hotel that was flooded in Cork a couple of weeks ago? The Kingsley?
Didn't the old public baths used to be where the submerged car park currently resides? The same public baths that were filled from water coming in from the Lee?

What bloody genius let someone build a carpark on the site of a naturally-filled swimming pool? FFS!
What bloody genius let someone build a carpark on the site of a naturally-filled swimming pool? FFS!
Some mothers do have em, but now is the time to stop all this nonsense.

How much will our historical planning stupidity cost us without adding any more to the bill
 

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Why the surprise....the HSE and the DOHC are prepared to put the only fully functioning A+E for kids for the entire east coast in the centre of the Dublin city!!

Dublin city centre at risk of being 'entirely flooded'


Irrspective of whether Dublin City floods or not...whats the bet that the access to it from all corners of the city will be blocked....What kind of major emergency planning is that??......
 

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of course, what is more objectionable is that this will be the 6th private hospital to open in a county with 450,000 population. never mind joined up flood planning, what about joined up health planning?

The site is on the western road, on the outskirts of the city centre, over the last 10 years this road has flooded many times, buildings that are already there are one problem but would you really build a hospital there.

There were photos in the press recently illustrating the problems of evacuating patients from the Mercy hospital in army trucks, should we now buy more trucks for the army in order to facilitate this new hospital.
off topic, but no patients were evacuated from the mercy. though the emergency department closed, full services were maintained for patients in the hospital at the time of the flood, which is a remarkable credit to the staff and other emergency services
 

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I wonder would it be the same O Callaghan that Bertie arranged permission to build the Golden Island shopping centre in Athlone on the eve of calling the 2002 election,It was the local dump with plenty of soakage, now its concrete causing flooding to move to other built up areas last week.
I am not too sure about that, It was one of the only areas not flooded last week due to flood protection banking on two sides, the areas around were flooded, the amount of new concrete and tarmac in that area apart from the Shopping centre is vastly more than what the SC takes up and built since it.

I do agree with proper planning there would be no flooding at all, and retain buildings in flood plains, the river needs banking on both sides and banking to protect vulnerable areas. The whole area around the river is marl clay which is non porous and was used to line the canals. All it takes is a digger and an earth mover to safegaurd a lot of homes and business premises.
 
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