Cabinet in disarray over Abortion Referendum - as Leo goes on a visible wobble about it all...

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Cabinet in disarray over Abortion Referendum - as Leo goes on a visible wobble about it all...

Looks like a stunned Leo Varadkar has emerged from today's two hour Marathon Cabinet meeting with a less than united Front Bench behind him to carry a Referendum forward

He is having 2nd thoughts now about going with AOD up to 12 weeks...

If he cant carry his Cabinet with him

- what chance the electorate?

The Taoiseach has said there is concern among many politicians that the proposal to allow abortions in Ireland without restrictions up to 12 weeks may go one step too far for the majority of the public.
Mr Varadkar said this recommendation went further than he and many people would have anticipated a year or two ago.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0110/932212-eighth-amendment-abortion/

Hopefully this vile proposal will never see the light of day...:evil:
 


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Somewhat off topic, but why do governments have to have an opinion on a referendum?

Surely it's almost better for politicians to STFU approaching a referendum and let - you know - the people decide.

There's no winning or losing a referendum, just the decision of the majority.
 
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It was on the wireless earlier.

Could be the catalyst that topples this government?
 
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Leo stunned by reaction....


Cabinet in disarray over Abortion Referendum - as Leo goes on a visible wobble about it all...

Looks like a stunned Leo Varadkar has emerged from today's two hour Marathon Cabinet meeting with a less than united Front Bench behind him to carry a Referendum forward

He is having 2nd thoughts now about going with AOD up to 12 weeks...

If he cant carry his Cabinet with him

- what chance the electorate?

The Taoiseach has said there is concern among many politicians that the proposal to allow abortions in Ireland without restrictions up to 12 weeks may go one step too far for the majority of the public.
Mr Varadkar said this recommendation went further than he and many people would have anticipated a year or two ago.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0110/932212-eighth-amendment-abortion/

Hopefully this vile proposal will never see the light of day...:evil:
So now Harris is not only at odds with Leo, but also with Coveney whom he supported for the leadership. Will he have another row with his conscience?
 

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It was on the wireless earlier.

Could be the catalyst that topples this government?
They completed bombed, defending Frances ISIS Fitzgerald, and yet still survived.
 

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Leo stunned by reaction....


Cabinet in disarray over Abortion Referendum - as Leo goes on a visible wobble about it all...

Looks like a stunned Leo Varadkar has emerged from today's two hour Marathon Cabinet meeting with a less than united Front Bench behind him to carry a Referendum forward

He is having 2nd thoughts now about going with AOD up to 12 weeks...

If he cant carry his Cabinet with him

- what chance the electorate?

The Taoiseach has said there is concern among many politicians that the proposal to allow abortions in Ireland without restrictions up to 12 weeks may go one step too far for the majority of the public.
Mr Varadkar said this recommendation went further than he and many people would have anticipated a year or two ago.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0110/932212-eighth-amendment-abortion/

Hopefully this vile proposal will never see the light of day...:evil:
The same party tried to silence Peter Matthews (rest in peace) and Lucinda Creighton, Billy Timmons, on the same issue.
 

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I think the morning after pill needs to be made more widely available, along with the introduction of the rumoured male-pill. That would drastically reduce abortions. On the other hand I do support repeal, followed by legislation not quite as liberal as that recommended by the Oireachtas committee. Also, I consider the Committee to have been a stitch up, with members largely handpicked to reach a pre determined conclusion. I would be surprised if Leo did not know what their recommendations were likely to be. It doesnt seem though that FG is entirely ready to be railroaded by their leader on this.

I think the govt would be better advised to abide by the recommendations of the Constitutional Convention, rather than the Oireachtas Committee, given the successful precedent of the Marriage Equality Referendum.
 
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Somewhat off topic, but why do governments have to have an opinion on a referendum?

Surely it's almost better for politicians to STFU approaching a referendum and let - you know - the people decide.

There's no winning or losing a referendum, just the decision of the majority.
Politicians are voters.

No problem with them having an opinion on it.

I do have a problem with them using media assets to voice that opinion (both sides).
 

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Leo stunned by reaction....


Cabinet in disarray over Abortion Referendum - as Leo goes on a visible wobble about it all...

Looks like a stunned Leo Varadkar has emerged from today's two hour Marathon Cabinet meeting with a less than united Front Bench behind him to carry a Referendum forward

He is having 2nd thoughts now about going with AOD up to 12 weeks...

If he cant carry his Cabinet with him

- what chance the electorate?

The Taoiseach has said there is concern among many politicians that the proposal to allow abortions in Ireland without restrictions up to 12 weeks may go one step too far for the majority of the public.
Mr Varadkar said this recommendation went further than he and many people would have anticipated a year or two ago.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0110/932212-eighth-amendment-abortion/

Hopefully this vile proposal will never see the light of day...:evil:
What we need and where the previous government failed so badly in its efforts , is to ensure that there is some early period which is unrestricted, that FFA is covered adequately and in such a manner that no pregnancy is forced to be completed in this situation, that Savita Halappanavar never happens again and that seriously life limiting conditions have sufficient time to be discovered and terminated. If people think that 12 weeks is too long in normal conditions then I would not argue about it but some useful period must be allowed in my view. Apparently the clinics in England insist on the foetus being at least six weeks old before they attempt a termination because of the difficulty in finding something so small and the fact that the woman has to travel from Ireland so that terminations at home will allow for earlier ones. If this makes the so-called pro-life brigade happier then great.
 

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I think the morning after pill needs to be made more widely available, along with the introduction of the rumoured male-pill. That would drastically reduce abortions. On the other hand I do support repeal, followed by legislation not quite as liberal as that recommended by the Oireachtas committee. Also, I consider the Committee to have been a stitch up, with members largely handpicked to reach a pre determined conclusion. I would be surprised if Leo did not know what their recommendations were likely to be. It doesnt seem though that FG is entirely ready to be railroaded by their leader on this.

I think the govt would be better advised to abide by the recommendations of the Constitutional Convention, rather than the Oireachtas Committee, given the successful precedent of the Marriage Equality Referendum.
The Country is awash with contraceptives!

In fact when we had all these debates in the 70s the people pressing for its availability were adamant that making them available would pretty well wipe out unwanted pregnancies!

Now being discussed on RTE radio now BTW
 

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Now saying that there is concern among many politicians that the proposal to allow abortions in Ireland without restrictions up to 12 weeks may go one step too far for the majority of the public.

The proposal went further than he anticipated even a couple of years ago

I read that he does not then support it!

But he wont say what it is he supports!

Talk about confusion!:roll:
 

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Somewhat off topic, but why do governments have to have an opinion on a referendum?

Surely it's almost better for politicians to STFU approaching a referendum and let - you know - the people decide.

There's no winning or losing a referendum, just the decision of the majority.
A government would only bring a referendum they want to see passed.
If they didn't want it passed or were indifferent about it, why bother holding it in the first place?
 

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Will publish Heads of Bill before Referendum he says

There will be a 3 day debate in the Dáil and Seanad as well
 
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Now saying that there is concern among many politicians that the proposal to allow abortions in Ireland without restrictions up to 12 weeks may go one step too far for the majority of the public.

The proposal went further than he anticipated even a couple of years ago

I read that he does not then support it!

But he wont say what it is he supports!

Talk about confusion!:roll:
Sounds like he's worried about his, and his party's future in government.
 

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Leo seems to be seriously rattled--the "am" levels reaching 20 apm in that one-minute interview.

Enda Kenny lost a referendum but he had support and popularity within the grassroots. Leo wants to win a GE as Taoiseach approved by the electorate. Won't happen if they lose this referendum.
 

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Leo seems to be seriously rattled--the "am" levels reaching 20 apm in that one-minute interview.

Enda Kenny lost a referendum but he had support and popularity within the grassroots. Leo wants to win a GE as Taoiseach approved by the electorate. Won't happen if they lose this referendum.
He is seriously rattled - yes his apm's went critical that's for sure!:



Is there a Doctor in the House?:p
 

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Leo never seemed to have a strong opinion either way (from his previous utterances it seemed likely he'd try to gauge what might pass and give him a political victory). Simon Harris seems enthusiastic and gung-ho for full repeal. On the other hand, Coveney would probably be far more conservative (maybe some fairly limited exceptions would be his cup of tea). I'd guess there's a wide range of opinion in the cabinet.
 


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