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Campaign Against Child Prostitution Launched - More Nonsense Designed To Confuse


General Urko

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The Immigrant Council Of Ireland has launched a new social media campaign against forced prostitution with the emphasis on stopping child prostitution.


Campaign against forced child prostitution launched - Crime & Law News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Mon, Apr 08, 2013

This is ostensibly a laudible if virtually irrelevant endeavour. However, if you contextualise it re the impending introduction of the insane and failed Swedish model of criminalising the punter, we see exactly what it's about!
It's all about confusing male punters who engage in paid for consensual sex with a partner with Paedophiles and other assorted psychotic perverts!
The new law will of course be heaven sent for such psychotic perverts and traffickers because all related activity will be moved well underground! Women working in the industry will be more likely to be subjected to vicious attacks, rape and even murdered! Indeed where a woman has been trafficked (although only a tiny percentage of the overall total! as has been proven in police raids and contact!), she will be forced to engage in much more dangerous activities such as bareback sex due to as we are told will be the decrease in demand!:mad:

Real Men Don't Buy Girls! You are damn right they don't! They have been known to rent sexual services from adults willingly offering that!

RE the celebrities such as Ray Foley and Daithi supporting this, well re regular sex with adults, celebs in Ireland would have no problem especially ironically if there they have a perceived link with money! Indeed one thing that absolutely disgusted me but didn't shock me was that after Stan Collymore's well reported physical assault of his partner Swedish Ulrika Johnsonn, he was pictured with a new beur days later!:mad:
Another valid point re celebrity support for punter criminalisation is that ala the penalty points debacle, the great and the good and the well connected will always be let away with misdemeanours (even if they are knowingly with a trafficked women or possibly a minor!:mad:), the ordinary Joe will not!
For the record, I am violently opposed to the trafficking/coercion of anybody for labour exploitation especially if it's sexual and the the abuse of minors! The Swedish model will definitely make the situation worse and worse for women who have never been coerced and male punters who would never knowingly engage with a trafficked or coerced woman!:mad:
 

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When the Swedish model is introduced and subsequently as will be inevitable - a woman is seriously injured or possibly killed (God forbid either!).:mad:
What will be the reaction/spin of the sponsors of this insane, deeply flawed and failed law!
That is how will Denise Charlton, Ivanna Bacik, Ronan Mullen, The nuns behind Ruhama and Jack O'Connor react???????????????????:evil:
Hand wringing, no doubt!:mad:
 

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Is Pretty Woman your favourite film? :)
No!
It's often taken as presenting a false view of the biz and it seems a lot of women were lured into the biz because of it! I would imagine a working girl's life is much tougher and while most punters are as nice as Dicky Gere, the vast majority would not have his money or look like him!:roll:
 

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For a moment there's I thought the OP was arguing that campaigning against child prostitution was a bad idea....
 
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No!
It's often taken as presenting a false view of the biz and it seems a lot of women were lured into the biz because of it! I would imagine a working girl's life is much tougher and while most punters are as nice as Dicky Gere, the vast majority would not have his money or look like him!:roll:
Speak for yourself.

Well, I don't have his money.... ;)
 

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For a moment there's I thought the OP was arguing that campaigning against child prostitution was a bad idea....
It's the campaign that's designed to confuse the general public!
 

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It's the campaign that's designed to confuse the general public!
I thought the general consensus was that it was usually filed under 'a bad thing'
The campaign also files it under 'a bad thing'.
Im not much seeing confusion here.
 

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I thought the general consensus was that it was usually filed under 'a bad thing'
The campaign also files it under 'a bad thing'.
Im not much seeing confusion here.
CONTEXTUALISE!
Absurd pulled out of the air figures and the imminent "normal client" criminalisation model nearly there and stalking at every corner in the media!
There's a massive difference between paedophiles and other assorted perverts and the average John!
This is definitely trying to confuse things! It's analogous to The RCC barring gay men from entering seminaries so as to try and deliberately confuse homosexuality with paedophilia in the all to gullible public's mind!:mad:
Try and be a bit more media savvy!:roll:
 

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I thought the general consensus was that it was usually filed under 'a bad thing'
The campaign also files it under 'a bad thing'.
Im not much seeing confusion here.
As best I can gather - though of course it's late, so forgive me if I missed some of the finer points - the plan's cunning lies in its very simplicity: they are trying to disguise one thing that people think is a bad thing with another thing that people think is a bad thing, so that people will think it's the same bad thing.
 

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CONTEXTUALISE!
Absurd pulled out of the air figures and the imminent "normal client" criminalisation model nearly there and stalking at every corner in the media!
There's a massive difference between paedophiles and other assorted perverts and the average John!
This is definitely trying to confuse things! It's analogous to The RCC barring gay men from entering seminaries so as to try and deliberately confuse homosexuality with paedophilia in the all to gullible public's mind!:mad:
Try and be a bit more media savvy!:roll:
I'm still not seeing how highlighting this issue is a bad thing in and unto itself.
You seem to be arbitrarily connecting it to another completely different matter about the legalisation of prostitution among adult women.
The context seems to be of your own design.
I suggest being a little less cynical, perhaps and less conspiracy orientated.
 

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We should all support campaigns against child prostitution and forced adult prostitution. Voluntary Adult prostitution is another matter entirely though and the two should not be confused.
Irish Times said:
Most recent figures show almost one in four of the 134 people trafficked into Ireland for sexual exploitation in recent years were children.
Define "recent years"? Tougher immigration controls are needed to choke off the market for abuse of immigrant children. Also regarding the three-quarters of this group who were adults - that brings the number of those to around 90, which is a far cry from the massive numbers implied by Ruhama.

Also regarding "trafficked" adults; how does the ICI define this term? For example is an adult who comes here legally and then becomes a prostitute defined as a "trafficked" person? Because if that's their definition, then I find it disingenuous.
 
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As best I can gather - though of course it's late, so forgive me if I missed some of the finer points - the plan's cunning lies in its very simplicity: they are trying to disguise one thing that people think is a bad thing with another thing that people think is a bad thing, so that people will think it's the same bad thing.
That seems to be a good working model of the OP's theory.
I'm a little puzzled by the actual lack of evidence for this conspiratorial connection between bad thing A and bad thing B (other than my own possible lack of media savviness.)
 

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I'm still not seeing how highlighting this issue is a bad thing in and unto itself.
You seem to be arbitrarily connecting it to another completely different matter about the legalisation of prostitution among adult women.
The context seems to be of your own design.
I suggest being a little less cynical, perhaps and less conspiracy orientated.
The Immigrant Council Of Ireland is part of the TORL group screaming out for the criminalisation of male clients of even willing adult prostitutes!
That to me is game over they are trying to deliberately confuse! No regular man would have sex with a child! So therefore why the campaign and why now?
It's like suggesting to me that because women were abused in Magdellan concentration camps run by the orders of nuns behind Ruhama that there is a sufficient disconnect Re their sponsoring of the TORL campaignand will not lead to the abuse of vulnerable women as a consequence - of course it will!:evil:
 

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Urko, Whatever your issue with the law surrounding prostitution (and I would support a legalised, monitored industry existing between consenting adults), do you not agree that any campaign that encourages men to think twice about the well-being of the women they are paying for sex --and encourages them to report potential underage or trafficking cases-- is a good thing?

It's a no-brainer, whatever the source, IMO.
 

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Urko, Whatever your issue with the law surrounding prostitution (and I would support a legalised, monitored industry existing between consenting adults), do you not agree that any campaign that encourages men to think twice about the well-being of the women they are paying for sex --and encourages them to report potential underage or trafficking cases-- is a good thing?

It's a no-brainer, whatever the source, IMO.
The source and the hidden agendae are always massively significant!
 

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war on prostitution will be as effective as war on terror and war on drugs....
it'll only make things worse.

conflating prostitution with paedophilia only serves to make things easier for paedophiles.
which is not a position we should encourage.
 
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