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Campaign for a Future that Works: London, Belfast, Glasgow


factual

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If you are in london join the protest march and rally at Hyde Park. If you are out in Belfast then scroll down to see a link for your local march.

This is all about jobs and opposing the stupidity of auaterity economics, and the tragedy for working class people.

I am going on this march and am just setting off.

Details here:

A Future That Works

Gold Medallist, LUKE CAMPBELL, explains why you should (click link below photo):

https://vimeo.com/51769981

If you are out in Belfast, you can join your local march here:

#Oct20 marches in Glasgow & Belfast too | A Future That Works
 
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Very enjoyable event. 100,000 people (one of them me) was there.

Ed Miliband gave a very good speech and was warmly received by most of the crowd. David Cameron described as a weak leader. I really think Ed Miliband has taken Labour to the left. Though he didn't have a lot of policies.





Plenty of jokes about George Osborne and Andrew Mitchell. Lots of anger about this out of touch government.

There were a lot of sit down protests that disrupted the traffic along Oxford street, and there was also a lot of protesters against Primark and Starbucks. The whole street was very crowded with protestors, police and shoppers.

Outside Marble Arch, disabled protestors sat down on the road to make their point:

https://twitter.com/Kaptain_Khaos/status/259666036054450176/photo/1

Tony Benn was there too, though he needs help walking now.

The union leaders called for a General Strike. The rail union man Bob Crow is a great speaker.

Fantastic day.

Anyone at the Belfast event?
 
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So the man in charge of the Labour party,who are largely to blame for the UK's economic problems,addresses a rally of those he has effected the most? Pathetic political grandstanding.

The UK and the RoI are perfect examples of what happens when you spend trillions of pounds you don't have and save nothing in the good times.

100,000 morons who want other people to keep them in the style to which the Labour Party made them accustomed.
 

factual

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So the man in charge of the Labour party,who are largely to blame for the UK's economic problems,addresses a rally of those he has effected the most? Pathetic political grandstanding.

The UK and the RoI are perfect examples of what happens when you spend trillions of pounds you don't have and save nothing in the good times.

100,000 morons who want other people to keep them in the style to which the Labour Party made them accustomed.
Absolute nonsense. Labour leader Ed Miliband pointed out that Labour would take a responsible approach but that the Tories are cutting too hard and too fast. As Paul Krugman points out there's a recession because of the cuts not because of the borrowing.
 

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Absolute nonsense. Labour leader Ed Miliband pointed out that Labour would take a responsible approach but that the Tories are cutting too hard and too fast. As Paul Krugman points out there's a recession because of the cuts not because of the borrowing.
Labour where in power for a long time when the crisis hit.
 

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Absolute nonsense. Labour leader Ed Miliband pointed out that Labour would take a responsible approach but that the Tories are cutting too hard and too fast. As Paul Krugman points out there's a recession because of the cuts not because of the borrowing.
Hey factual, any chance of contacting HQ and getting them to oppose the Welfare reform bill ?
Labour oppose it but cant avail of any mechanism to stop its implimentation, as opposed to SF who can bin it.
 

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Labour where in power for a long time when the crisis hit.
They were also very busy invading countries and committing war crimes. It was a tory that apologised for bloody sunday.
The myth that the british Labour party are any more sympathetic to Irelands plight is just that, a myth.

Frankly I'd vote DUP rather than factuals version of SF, but I've nothing to worry about and SF will still recieve my vote as Factual has nothing to do with the party.

Castle Ray and cruimh are the only ones who 'believe' its in SF as far as I've seen since I've been reading this forum.
 

factual

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Labour where in power for a long time when the crisis hit.
That's true but we shoudl also recognise it was a worldwide crisis.

That said Labour does have to take its share of the blame. In particular, financial and banking sector was too lightly regulated.

What is clear now is that the cuts are too fast and too deep. If everyone cuts, then that is going to lead to recession, and that is what is happening. We need the EU to stop the austerity, and we need the UK to stop it too. Labour has said that it will not cut as hard and as fast.

The right are using the crisis to bring about cuts that are not needed, and that it could not get away with in normal times. They have used the excesses of the bankers to attack ordinary public sector workers.
 

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So the man in charge of the Labour party,who are largely to blame for the UK's economic problems,addresses a rally of those he has effected the most? Pathetic political grandstanding.

The UK and the RoI are perfect examples of what happens when you spend trillions of pounds you don't have and save nothing in the good times.

100,000 morons who want other people to keep them in the style to which the Labour Party made them accustomed.
Harsh, but with some merit. Mindless austerity is a road to economic stagnation and/or depression, however, in tough times everyone has to row together - along with stringent regulations on the banking sector, the public service must accept cuts in their wages, especially given the fact that the government no longer has the money to pay them what they once did.

People in the private sector are losing their jobs left, right and centre - the trade the public sector makes is lower wages for job security; some people need to wake up and stop demanding more and more of what the Americans term "entitlements".
 

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Harsh, but with some merit. Mindless austerity is a road to economic stagnation and/or depression, however, in tough times everyone has to row together - along with stringent regulations on the banking sector, the public service must accept cuts in their wages, especially given the fact that the government no longer has the money to pay them what they once did.

People in the private sector are losing their jobs left, right and centre - the trade of the public sector makes is lower wages for job security; some people need to wake up and stop demanding more and more of what the Americans term "entitlements".
There's a good discussion from Paul Krugman in the first 20 minutes here:

http://www.niesr.ac.uk/niesrvideos/2012-10-15_jportes.mp3
 

factual

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Harsh, but with some merit. Mindless austerity is a road to economic stagnation and/or depression, however, in tough times everyone has to row together - along with stringent regulations on the banking sector, the public service must accept cuts in their wages, especially given the fact that the government no longer has the money to pay them what they once did.

People in the private sector are losing their jobs left, right and centre - the trade the public sector makes is lower wages for job security; some people need to wake up and stop demanding more and more of what the Americans term "entitlements".
Your comment suggests that the only way to deal with a budget deficit is cuts. Another way is to raise taxes. And cutting tax for millionaires, as the Con-Dems have done, is crazy and morally wrong.

The right have used the crisis to attack the poorest and reward the richest.
 
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The economic problems we face today in the west result from an aboandonment of sensible regulatory powers over the banks which had served us well for many generations. This began under the neo conservative regimes of Thatcher and Reagan, and which were stupidly adopted as Labour policy in Britain following their return to power in 1997. These ideas were also copied in Ireland by Fianna Fail also. The western banking failure which resulted, is the root cause of our current problems, and wouldn't have happened but for the stupidity of neo conservatism
The truth is that all parties share the blame. No political party was calling for tighter regulation of the banks when the collapse took place.
 

factual

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The economic problems we face today in the west result from an aboandonment of sensible regulatory powers over the banks which had served us well for many generations. This began under the neo conservative regimes of Thatcher and Reagan, and which were stupidly adopted as Labour policy in Britain following their return to power in 1997. These ideas were also copied in Ireland by Fianna Fail also. The western banking failure which resulted, is the root cause of our current problems, and wouldn't have happened but for the stupidity of neo conservatism
The truth is that all parties share the blame. No political party was calling for tighter regulation of the banks when the collapse took place.
Johnny Boy - a very good post.
 

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The economic problems we face today in the west result from an aboandonment of sensible regulatory powers over the banks which had served us well for many generations. This began under the neo conservative regimes of Thatcher and Reagan, and which were stupidly adopted as Labour policy in Britain following their return to power in 1997. These ideas were also copied in Ireland by Fianna Fail also. The western banking failure which resulted, is the root cause of our current problems, and wouldn't have happened but for the stupidity of neo conservatism
The truth is that all parties share the blame. No political party was calling for tighter regulation of the banks when the collapse took place.
Get real Johnny, if everything was Rosey in your garden way back then, would you seriously want regulations?
 

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That's true but we shoudl also recognise it was a worldwide crisis.

That said Labour does have to take its share of the blame. In particular, financial and banking sector was too lightly regulated.

What is clear now is that the cuts are too fast and too deep. If everyone cuts, then that is going to lead to recession, and that is what is happening. We need the EU to stop the austerity, and we need the UK to stop it too. Labour has said that it will not cut as hard and as fast.

The right are using the crisis to bring about cuts that are not needed, and that it could not get away with in normal times. They have used the excesses of the bankers to attack ordinary public sector workers.
So if it was a worldwide crises all the condemnation of FF by Sf was just political posturing?
 
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Get real Johnny, if everything was Rosey in your garden way back then, would you seriously want regulations?
Ah Mickey, how did you know? She spelt her name Rosie..............................unrequited love, but there you go!
Seriously, I'm not sure what your point is. I know that in the USA you and your, ahem.................... friend............. Tommy.............for want of a better way of putting it, are big fans of big Ron, and all his evils, and you completely ignore the fact that he was the biggest ally of the Corroded Lady of Britain. Those two muppets started the decline of the western economy, by removing order.
 

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So if it was a worldwide crises all the condemnation of FF by Sf was just political posturing?
The Irish situation was exacerbated by FF failing to do anything to stop the lending and property bubble.

Labour in the UK also had to take blame for too little financial regulation-as I said in the post you quoted.
 

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This government in London is in an #omnishambles at the moment, but if the economy starts to grow then they may be able to recover a bit. However I can't see Conservatives winning an election next time, so it will be a thirty year period of 1992 to 2020 when Conservatives have not won the election outright.
 
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Absolute nonsense. Labour leader Ed Miliband pointed out that Labour would take a responsible approach but that the Tories are cutting too hard and too fast. As Paul Krugman points out there's a recession because of the cuts not because of the borrowing.
What part of DT123's post was "absolute nonsense". Milliband and Balls were part of the Labour government that put the UK economy in the state that it's in requiring bank bailouts and austerity measures. You say that Labour "would take a responsible approach". FFS, that party have been shown to be totally irresponsible.

The austerity measures are required in order to reduce the deficit. This in effect means that we can borrow money at an affordable rate as the markets back our budget. This has also meant that the UK could assist bailing out Eire. The austerity measures are necessary because the public sector had become so bloated under Labour that it needs to be reduced. There is too much government in the UK and too much waste. This needs to be addressed. The ridiculous message of this protest is for the government to borrow more money to keep people in jobs and provide services that the country cannot afford with some hope that private individuals and companies will pay back this money on behalf of the country. It is absolutely preposterous and typical populist socialist rubbish. How Milliband has the gall to jump on this bandwagon is beyond me given what his party (supported and funded by the trade unions) did to this country.
 

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