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See High Court overturns approval for higher apartment blocks in Dublin docklands In judgements of appeals to the High Court of Bord Pleanala decisions awarding planning permissions, the court's decisions are supposed to be based solely on whether the board correctly followed its own procedures laid down in laws and regulations. But it seems that despite the last government's increase in the limits of high rises to 21 stories from 7 for rental properties, the High Court has exceeded its legal powers in quashing Bord Pleanala's planning permissions that allow heights of buildings higher than in the past in urban neighbourhoods,though not necessarily the full 21 stories.
Given the housing crisis in Dublin,Cork and Galway, the last government's legislation and regulations for fast tracked Bord Pleanala decisions and increase in heights to 21 stories were essential in response to the sagas of NIMBY council planning procedures and vexatious legal appeals. So Bord Pleanala decisions should not be hobbled by councils' appeals to the High Court. Legal eagles on P.ie should offer opinions.
 

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I think we are evolving beyond high rise, mid rise seems to be better for those living in them, the environment and society in general. They are also very difficult to keep liveable inside, get too hot.
 

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See High Court overturns approval for higher apartment blocks in Dublin docklands In judgements of appeals to the High Court of Bord Pleanala decisions awarding planning permissions, the court's decisions are supposed to be based solely on whether the board correctly followed its own procedures laid down in laws and regulations. But it seems that despite the last government's increase in the limits of high rises to 21 stories from 7 for rental properties, the High Court has exceeded its legal powers in quashing Bord Pleanala's planning permissions that allow heights of buildings higher than in the past in urban neighbourhoods,though not necessarily the full 21 stories.
Given the housing crisis in Dublin,Cork and Galway, the last government's legislation and regulations for fast-tracked Bord Pleanala decisions and increase in heights to 21 stories were essential in response to the sagas of NIMBY council planning procedures and vexatious legal appeals. So Bord Pleanala decisions should not be hobbled by councils' appeals to the High Court. Legal eagles on P.ie should offer opinions.
I live in Edinburgh Dublin needs to be just as careful about not destroying the character of your city 21 stories is simply nonsense the decision needs to be recalled
 

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I think we are evolving beyond high rise, mid rise seems to be better for those living in them, the environment and society in general. They are also very difficult to keep liveable inside, get too hot.
The high rises on Chicago's Lakeshore Drive designed by famous architect Frank Lloyd Wright would likely be rejected by Dublin's NIMBY council.
 

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I live in Edinburgh Dublin needs to be just as careful about not destroying the character of your city 21 stories is simply nonsense the decision needs to be recalled
Dublin has many architcturally boring districts that would benefit from the economic life injected by high rises, though not necessarily the 21 story limit. In Docklands, there is little historic architecture worth preserving, so 21 stories should be permissible in most cases.
 

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See High Court overturns approval for higher apartment blocks in Dublin docklands In judgements of appeals to the High Court of Bord Pleanala decisions awarding planning permissions, the court's decisions are supposed to be based solely on whether the board correctly followed its own procedures laid down in laws and regulations. But it seems that despite the last government's increase in the limits of high rises to 21 stories from 7 for rental properties, the High Court has exceeded its legal powers in quashing Bord Pleanala's planning permissions that allow heights of buildings higher than in the past in urban neighbourhoods,though not necessarily the full 21 stories.
Given the housing crisis in Dublin,Cork and Galway, the last government's legislation and regulations for fast tracked Bord Pleanala decisions and increase in heights to 21 stories were essential in response to the sagas of NIMBY council planning procedures and vexatious legal appeals. So Bord Pleanala decisions should not be hobbled by councils' appeals to the High Court. Legal eagles on P.ie should offer opinions.
21 stories is just nuts for young families with kids!

At most it would suit yuppie couples with no kids.

The City and its environs are clogged as it is

- we don't need to grow this city anymore certainly inside the M50 belt

Outside that we need multiple's of 4 or 4 story blocks with on site supporting facilities

The days of the individual house or even semi D will probably fade away over the next 50 years

- certainly in Dublin anyway.
 

Patslatt1

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21 stories is just nuts for young families with kids!

At most it would suit yuppie couples with no kids.

The City and its environs are clogged as it is

- we don't need to grow this city anymore certainly inside the M50 belt

Outside that we need multiple's of 4 or 4 story blocks with on site supporting facilities

The days of the individual house or even semi D will probably fade away over the next 50 years

- certainly in Dublin anyway.
Your NIMBY attitude ignores the damage to quality of life of Dublin's ridiculously high rents that are taking a huge proportion of people's take home pay, an average of 40%. One city block in Hong Kong might have as much population as all of Dublin city council's area, so there is a long way to go before an overcrowded Dublin city. Sounds like you live in housing that is largely or fully paid off.
 

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21 stories is just nuts for young families with kids!

At most it would suit yuppie couples with no kids.

The City and its environs are clogged as it is

- we don't need to grow this city anymore certainly inside the M50 belt

Outside that we need multiple's of 4 or 4 story blocks with on site supporting facilities

The days of the individual house or even semi D will probably fade away over the next 50 years

- certainly in Dublin anyway.
BANANA
 

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Howsabout a wall of high rise flats along the M50, and build the M100 5 miles out while we're at it.

There's some magic number of floors - 6 or 7? - above which you need a lot deeper concrete foundations, and more lifts.
 

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This is how Dublin might look in the next century
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There shouldn’t be any height limits in the city centre. Outside of the city centre there should be a limit of 100 floors within M50 and 50 floors outside of M50. Within M50 also there should be a minimum of 6 floors, all low-rises (below 6 floors) within M50 should be gradually demolished, except 2-3 hundreds of historical buildings (100+ years old) in the city centre.

We also have to change the apartment sizes, at present most of the builders build 60-75 sq. m. 2-beds only, while the market is in urgent need of 18-30 sq. m. studios, 40-70 sq. m. 1-beds, 80-150 sq. m. 2-beds, 120-500 sq. m. 3-beds, 150-1000 sq. m. 4-beds, etc.
 

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I agree on the proviso that 20% of all 1000 sq metre 4 bed apartments should be set aside for homeless heroin heads etc. etc.
 

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