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Can Ireland as a nation not move on ?


fluffykontbiscuits

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Just been looking at the threads and Im amazed at the immaturity of a lot of people who cant seem to just put the 800 years of living under UK to bed and just move on . Ireland as a nation has moved on from the years of De Valera and Collins. We are now a cosmopolitan young vibrant country,we are not rich I grant you that but we are now in a time and reality when Europe is at peace. Those of you still harbouring some resentment torwards the UK, drop it and move on with your life, your hatred holds no one back but yourselves.
 
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Just been looking at the threads and Im amazed at the immaturity of a lot of people who cant seem to just put the 800 years of living under Britian to bed and just move on . Ireland as a nation has moved on from the years of De Valera and Collins. We are now a cosmopolitan young vibrant country,we are not rich I grant you that but we are now in a time and reality when Europe is at peace. Those of you still harbouring some resentment torwards Britian, drop it and move on with your life, your hatred holds no one back but yourselves.
it is the magic mushroom season in suburbs.
 

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I harbour no resentment towards the UK. All my resentment is towards the Irish government
 

fluffykontbiscuits

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I harbour no resentment towards the UK. All my resentment is towards the government
That is a fair enough point. I was speaking to a few Finns years back in Tampere and they had the same point,they were not fans of the Russian government but as Russia as a whole they bore no malice . With the way a lot of people on here act I would have thought they dislike Britain as a nation?
 

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Ireland – A short synopsis of financial carnage and we do nothing.

Got this in an email this morning.

Ireland – A short synopsis of financial carnage and we do nothing.

So, tell me. What does it actually take for an Irish person to get angry? What does it take for the nation to get angry? Not the type of ill feelings you might have regarding a person, place or thing. I mean the feeling of being furious, really livid. The feeling where you want to act out, scream and shout. The kind of sensation where you just want to roar, clinch your fist, break something. Explode into rage!!

Ha? No? I didn’t think so. I don’t think we get angry at all. Or are we just cowards, afraid of making a scene or embarrassing the family? We seem to lack any backbone, no fight in us at all. Amazing, just simply amazing. I mean, we are been robbed blind every day for the last 900 years. Abused, mocked, ridiculed – the whole 9 yards.

Let just focus on recent times for the minute. Say, the last 20 years.

The EU lends us billions. Multi national companies setup shop here and provide loads of jobs. Banks borrow money (debt) for the central bank (owned by the House of Rothschild) and in turn, lend it out to us at interest. The building industry soars. Jobs a plenty. No complaints. No worries, plenty of money (debt) floating around. Mortgages were as obtainable as a car loan. We bought and bought. Consumption was the order of the day. Our fine politicians said that we must “get on the property ladder”. Demand went up and so did the average house price. But don’t worry, we are rich aren’t we? We have plenty of cash (debt). Our jobs are secure. We are making our repayments. What’s the worry? Life was great. We were one of the richest (on borrowed money(debt)) nations on the planet.

Just one thing. We were not. We were fooled and still are today. Blind, foolish idiots who still asleep in this deep dream that we cant see what is really going on. The biggest slight of hand in Irish history is happening right now and we are letting it happen to us and our children and our children’s children.

But as I said, we don’t get mad.

Foreigners now own our national assets – we do nothing.
Our natural gas and oil (worth billions) are given away for free - we do nothing.
PPARS – 150 million - we do nothing.
E-voting – 60 million - we do nothing.
Medialab Europe – project abandoned 35 million – we do nothing.
Integrated Ticketing – still not functioning 42.7 million – we do nothing.
CorkAirport – 160 million – we do nothing
Thorton Hall - acquisition of site 29.9 million – we do nothing.
Carbon credits – 810 million – we do nothing.
Nama – 50,000 million!!!! – We do nothing.
2000-2006 NDP: development of national roads including the port tunnel and the M50 ( Dublin C-ring) 16,900 million – we do nothing.

Our lives as we know it are ruined. Foreign interests own all political party leaders. Corrupted by their salaries. FF, FG and Labor are all the same. We think an election will move to rectify the situation when in actual fact will just continue the looting of our country. We can’t see it. We refuse to stand back and look at the bigger picture.

And we do nothing….
 

Aindriu

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Got this in an email this morning.

Ireland – A short synopsis of financial carnage and we do nothing.

So, tell me. What does it actually take for an Irish person to get angry? What does it take for the nation to get angry? Not the type of ill feelings you might have regarding a person, place or thing. I mean the feeling of being furious, really livid. The feeling where you want to act out, scream and shout. The kind of sensation where you just want to roar, clinch your fist, break something. Explode into rage!!

Ha? No? I didn’t think so. I don’t think we get angry at all. Or are we just cowards, afraid of making a scene or embarrassing the family? We seem to lack any backbone, no fight in us at all. Amazing, just simply amazing. I mean, we are been robbed blind every day for the last 900 years. Abused, mocked, ridiculed – the whole 9 yards.

Let just focus on recent times for the minute. Say, the last 20 years.

The EU lends us billions. Multi national companies setup shop here and provide loads of jobs. Banks borrow money (debt) for the central bank (owned by the House of Rothschild) and in turn, lend it out to us at interest. The building industry soars. Jobs a plenty. No complaints. No worries, plenty of money (debt) floating around. Mortgages were as obtainable as a car loan. We bought and bought. Consumption was the order of the day. Our fine politicians said that we must “get on the property ladder”. Demand went up and so did the average house price. But don’t worry, we are rich aren’t we? We have plenty of cash (debt). Our jobs are secure. We are making our repayments. What’s the worry? Life was great. We were one of the richest (on borrowed money(debt)) nations on the planet.

Just one thing. We were not. We were fooled and still are today. Blind, foolish idiots who still asleep in this deep dream that we cant see what is really going on. The biggest slight of hand in Irish history is happening right now and we are letting it happen to us and our children and our children’s children.

But as I said, we don’t get mad.

Foreigners now own our national assets – we do nothing.
Our natural gas and oil (worth billions) are given away for free - we do nothing.
PPARS – 150 million - we do nothing.
E-voting – 60 million - we do nothing.
Medialab Europe – project abandoned 35 million – we do nothing.
Integrated Ticketing – still not functioning 42.7 million – we do nothing.
CorkAirport – 160 million – we do nothing
Thorton Hall - acquisition of site 29.9 million – we do nothing.
Carbon credits – 810 million – we do nothing.
Nama – 50,000 million!!!! – We do nothing.
2000-2006 NDP: development of national roads including the port tunnel and the M50 ( Dublin C-ring) 16,900 million – we do nothing.

Our lives as we know it are ruined. Foreign interests own all political party leaders. Corrupted by their salaries. FF, FG and Labor are all the same. We think an election will move to rectify the situation when in actual fact will just continue the looting of our country. We can’t see it. We refuse to stand back and look at the bigger picture.

And we do nothing….
An excellent post!
 

fluffykontbiscuits

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Got this in an email this morning.

Ireland – A short synopsis of financial carnage and we do nothing.

So, tell me. What does it actually take for an Irish person to get angry? What does it take for the nation to get angry? Not the type of ill feelings you might have regarding a person, place or thing. I mean the feeling of being furious, really livid. The feeling where you want to act out, scream and shout. The kind of sensation where you just want to roar, clinch your fist, break something. Explode into rage!!

Ha? No? I didn’t think so. I don’t think we get angry at all. Or are we just cowards, afraid of making a scene or embarrassing the family? We seem to lack any backbone, no fight in us at all. Amazing, just simply amazing. I mean, we are been robbed blind every day for the last 900 years. Abused, mocked, ridiculed – the whole 9 yards.

Let just focus on recent times for the minute. Say, the last 20 years.

The EU lends us billions. Multi national companies setup shop here and provide loads of jobs. Banks borrow money (debt) for the central bank (owned by the House of Rothschild) and in turn, lend it out to us at interest. The building industry soars. Jobs a plenty. No complaints. No worries, plenty of money (debt) floating around. Mortgages were as obtainable as a car loan. We bought and bought. Consumption was the order of the day. Our fine politicians said that we must “get on the property ladder”. Demand went up and so did the average house price. But don’t worry, we are rich aren’t we? We have plenty of cash (debt). Our jobs are secure. We are making our repayments. What’s the worry? Life was great. We were one of the richest (on borrowed money(debt)) nations on the planet.

Just one thing. We were not. We were fooled and still are today. Blind, foolish idiots who still asleep in this deep dream that we cant see what is really going on. The biggest slight of hand in Irish history is happening right now and we are letting it happen to us and our children and our children’s children.

But as I said, we don’t get mad.

Foreigners now own our national assets – we do nothing.
Our natural gas and oil (worth billions) are given away for free - we do nothing.
PPARS – 150 million - we do nothing.
E-voting – 60 million - we do nothing.
Medialab Europe – project abandoned 35 million – we do nothing.
Integrated Ticketing – still not functioning 42.7 million – we do nothing.
CorkAirport – 160 million – we do nothing
Thorton Hall - acquisition of site 29.9 million – we do nothing.
Carbon credits – 810 million – we do nothing.
Nama – 50,000 million!!!! – We do nothing.
2000-2006 NDP: development of national roads including the port tunnel and the M50 ( Dublin C-ring) 16,900 million – we do nothing.

Our lives as we know it are ruined. Foreign interests own all political party leaders. Corrupted by their salaries. FF, FG and Labor are all the same. We think an election will move to rectify the situation when in actual fact will just continue the looting of our country. We can’t see it. We refuse to stand back and look at the bigger picture.

And we do nothing….
We do sit back and do nothing as regards our finances, as people say Irish people are remarably well balanced we have a chip on both shoulders. Do you think though we could learn not to be so anti-English though?
 

GabhaDubh

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bunderoon great post

Of course we do nothing. The ingrained subservient nature of us Irish, cap in hand, thankful for the crumbs. Beholding to political parties for rudimentary right of a job.
 

dublincitizen

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Fluffy to answer your original question, I've personally no resentment towards Britain as a nation and am in no way 'anti-British'. Any resentment I do have lies solely with the British government, and I don't see any such resentment as "living in the past". The fact is a lot of people in Ireland have some resentment towards the British establishment because of their actions on this island over the last century. The root of this resentment has been and will always be partition, and I think for as long as partition continues, there will always be that feeling of resentment towards the British government, and rightly so.
 

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Just been looking at the threads and Im amazed at the immaturity of a lot of people who cant seem to just put the 800 years of living under UK to bed and just move on . Ireland as a nation has moved on from the years of De Valera and Collins. We are now a cosmopolitan young vibrant country,we are not rich I grant you that but we are now in a time and reality when Europe is at peace. Those of you still harbouring some resentment torwards the UK, drop it and move on with your life, your hatred holds no one back but yourselves.
Ah no, "reality check!!"" We are a bankrupt, partitioned, occupied cess pit, which is at anything but peace. Nor is Europe at peace, but is involved in imperial adventures all over the planet, and is building up its armed forces to take an even more active part in these imperial adventures (not to mind crush any resistance at home.)
 

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Though there is a certain element within the country who 'hate' Britain and yet support English football teams, watch British TV etc. Who sing wolfetone songs when drunk in the pub.

I doubt if you asked most republicans if they hated Britain or the British they'd say no that they just blame Britain for the political and religious turmoil on this island.

Hating Britains involment in this country is not the same as hating 'brits' for the sake of it, one is valid the other irrational bigotry.
 

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The nation is 'moving on' well - into the grip of bankruptcy.

I believe that Albania, post-Hoxha, was the last European country to participate in a pyramid scheme of such epic proportions.

Albania is a country that most people would sneer at on account of its backwardness and poverty. However when the people there realised that their leaders had conned them they seized the national armoury and chased out the government.
 
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Just been looking at the threads and Im amazed at the immaturity of a lot of people who cant seem to just put the 800 years of living under UK to bed and just move on . Ireland as a nation has moved on from the years of De Valera and Collins. We are now a cosmopolitan young vibrant country,we are not rich I grant you that but we are now in a time and reality when Europe is at peace. Those of you still harbouring some resentment torwards the UK, drop it and move on with your life, your hatred holds no one back but yourselves.
Coming form the people who hold 2,000 parades from May to November to ' commerate ' the defeat of an English king by a gay Dutch mercenary supported by the pope with many Catholcis in his army back in 1690 - the above is really something. :rolleyes: But that's the 14 year old mindset for you.
 
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Coming form the people who hold 2,000 parades from May to November to ' commerate ' the defeat fo an English king by a gay Dutch supported by the pope with many Catholcis in his army back in 1690 - the above is really something. :rolleyes: But that's the 14 year old mindset for you.
I'd much rather have the mind of a 14 year old than the mind of a twisted psychopath!
 

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Just been looking at the threads and Im amazed at the immaturity of a lot of people who cant seem to just put the 800 years of living under UK to bed and just move on . Ireland as a nation has moved on from the years of De Valera and Collins. We are now a cosmopolitan young vibrant country,we are not rich I grant you that but we are now in a time and reality when Europe is at peace. Those of you still harbouring some resentment torwards the UK, drop it and move on with your life, your hatred holds no one back but yourselves.
Generally, I agree with you ... but I am not sure if we that immersed in the past any more. None of the major topics of today are overtly concerned with Ireland's history with the UK.

Perhaps some of that is due to the NI threads being taken down.

Most threads are concerned with the current economic, political and financial crisis - and we did that to ourselves.
 

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Just been looking at the threads and Im amazed at the immaturity of a lot of people who cant seem to just put the 800 years of living under UK to bed and just move on . Ireland as a nation has moved on from the years of De Valera and Collins. We are now a cosmopolitan young vibrant country,we are not rich I grant you that but we are now in a time and reality when Europe is at peace. Those of you still harbouring some resentment torwards the UK, drop it and move on with your life, your hatred holds no one back but yourselves.
er No part of Ireland has ever been part of the UK for 800 years!

For crying out loud fluffy you are now on the Internet.

All this kind of info is freely available through using your keypad.

But if your stuck you could purchase a copy of

Amazon.com: Irish History For Dummies (9780764570407): Mike Cronin: Books

Hope that helps...
:)
 
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