Can Ireland recover despite Fianna Fáil?

Tommythecommy

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Can Ireland recover despite Fianna Fáil?

With Ireland being plunged into a double dip recession, Fine Gael Finance Spokesman Michael Noonan TD has said the country must get rid of this terrible Government before it inflicts further damage on the economy.

Along with Iceland and Greece, Ireland is one of the few countries in the world to suffer negative growth in the second quarter. If we needed any evidence that the Government’s economic policy is a disaster, then we have it now.

It could be argued that despite Brian Lenihan’s bluster, the recession never ended at all. GNP fell again in April-June for the ninth consecutive quarter, and was a shocking 17% lower than its peak in the first quarter of 2007. No other country in the industrialised world has experienced such an economic disaster since the Second World War.

These figures are the worst possible news for hard-pressed families and businesses across Ireland. This week has already seen a litany of bad economic news about unemployment, emigration, families unable to pay their bills, and interest rates.

It’s clear that this Government cannot be trusted to get Ireland working again. 2010 was the year to sort out the economy. Instead, Brian Lenihan poured all his efforts into bailing out failed banks.

No matter how Minister Lenihan tries to sell these figures as ‘stabilisation’, he didn’t see it coming. At the start of the month, he said: ‘We are seeing an economic stabilisation, and growth as well’.

Instead of the predicted growth, the economy may actually shrink this year. That’s the last thing anyone wants to hear as we gear up for the one of the toughest Budgets in Irish history. Brian Lenihan may well decide to impose even deeper cuts and higher taxes than planned.

Brian Lenihan's glib response is that exports will eventually take the economy out of recession. These figures show that Fine Gael was right from the start. We cannot have strong export-led recovery until we cut Government imposed costs in areas like waste, energy and local charges, get credit flowing and fix the infrastructure deficits in areas like broadband that are holding back small and medium sized businesses. That is why export growth stalled in the second quarter, even when our export markets in the EU and the UK were growing very quickly.

The Government made a huge mistake by slashing €1 billion from spending on vital infrastructure in the first half of this year. If the Government had delivered on its own targets in spending on infrastructure, the economy would probably have grown in the second quarter.

The most frightening aspect of these figures is that Ireland is back in recession when the rest of Europe is growing strongly. But economies across Europe and the industrialised world are now slowing down again, which means Ireland may have missed the boat when it comes to strong export-led recovery.
 


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Fianna Fáil had better start telling the truth; like who do they really work for? What is the true purpose(keeping Ireland poor?) of the Fianna Fáil party?

Otherwise: Fianna Fáil delenda est!
 
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I'm reminded of some wise words I heard many years back, though it was about the north back then.

The argument went that despite their public stance and alleged policies and what was supposed to be their core value and issue and the thing they really cared about, that Sinn Féin had actually managed to become the single greatest barrier to Unification.

The single greatest barrier to a modern progressive prosperous well-run industrious culturally-rich socially-cohesive Ireland of which all her citizens can be proud is Fianna Fáil.
 

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The opposition should just declare that they are setting up a Provisional Govt.

A national Govt excluding FF. Let FF have Anglo and INBS, as they seem to be very important to them and get on with running the country in our best interests.
 

EUrJokingMeRight

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Answer to the OP. NO. Simple as that I am afraid. FF and their sympathisers are endemic in the cogs and wheels of the Irish system. Cancerous mé féiners unfortunately with a lot of clout and the ability to strangle any hope of progressive change out of the psyche of the people.
Of course the Irish populace are a cowardly sort who will bend over and take it like good god fearing morons.
 

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There has to be catastrophic consequences for Fianna Fail and there co-horts.

Why would they or another bunch of gangsters not do it all again if this bunch are not punished?
 

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Fianna Fáil have sentenced the Nation to catastrophic consequences

There has to be catastrophic consequences for Fianna Fail and there co-horts.

Why would they or another bunch of gangsters not do it all again if this bunch are not punished?

Fianna Fáil have sentenced the Nation to catastrophic consequences. They will suffer little consequences them selves no more than Seanny Fitz will.

The next Government will get the task of carrying out Fianna Fáil's sentence on the people, while the Fianna Fáil party will snigger like cute hoors on the sidelines, eagerly anticipating a return to power, to carry on towards the almost continuous 100 year reign.

The people will be made to forget, that Fianna Fáil, handed down the sentence, and those who will carry out the sentence of destitution, on the many will attract and shoulder the blame.
 

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There has to be catastrophic consequences for Fianna Fail and there co-horts.

Why would they or another bunch of gangsters not do it all again if this bunch are not punished?
blinding, I'm now over fifty years old, and I've been watching these people (and their daddies/uncles/in-laws - in fact the whole rancid FF gene pool) do this (albeit on a smaller scale) since I was a kid.

With a heavy heart that I must tell you that, unless the Irish electorate cops on to itself more than it's in the habit of doing, it won't be another bunch of gangsters doing it all again - by and large it will be precisely the same bunch of gangsters (and their sons, nephews & nices, & sons- and daughters-in-law).
 
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The biggest fear is that instead of recovering, our current situation at best may become normal.
 

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Got excited when I saw this thread listed. Thought it might be the first on a message board that came up with a recipe for sustainable economic recovery. Silly me, I know darn well the ABFF are a blank sheet of paper and a pencil going nowhere !
 

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certainly as long as they exist they'll be a formidable obstacle to any return to prosperity or economic stability. They know the electorate all too well and the fact that they can always get back into power by promising short term gratification when longer term sacrifice is required.
They are the main reason why Ireland was a second rate country for so long and also the reason she blew her once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to join the ranks of the established developed nations.
 

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Got excited when I saw this thread listed. Thought it might be the first on a message board that came up with a recipe for sustainable economic recovery. Silly me, I know darn well the ABFF are a blank sheet of paper and a pencil going nowhere !
And what is FF's recipe for a sustainable economic recovery, oggy? Does it include Cowan's suggestion tonight that (I paraphrase) "people should go out and spend their savings so our GDP figures will go up"? What planet is that idiot living on?
 

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And what is FF's recipe for a sustainable economic recovery, oggy? Does it include Cowan's suggestion tonight that (I paraphrase) "people should go out and spend their savings so our GDP figures will go up"? What planet is that idiot living on?
WE had our biggest boom ever which was followed by our biggest bust ever. We are going through a recession and killing a bad inflation problem. Normal economics for me. Of course I am only going on history. The ABFF appear to be saying that recessions should not happen and the logic is they will ban them in the future. Clearly this appeals to a lot of people so its only reasonable that I request the ABFF to explain their recipe for sustainable recovery. Really its a pointless request due to the ABFF permanent problem in talking about anything but FF.
 

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Of course Ireland will come back.

You have to believe.
 

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Of course Ireland will come back.

You have to believe.
Yeah , believe in friggin leprechauns ! Sure 'the clffs of moher ' aint even free bro !
A 'free Ireland' is never coming back . We are in hock to everyone for ever .
Jesus we would have been better off if the dirty 'tans had won back in 1921 :rolleyes:
 

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No, the world economy will come back and we will eventually trade our way out of trouble. We have a particularly open economy and our current situation is one of the downsides to it. We are far better prepared to take advantage of global economic growth now than we were in the 80s.

I believe in the ability of the Irish people to take advantage of these opportunities as they arise.

Not everything that happened in the last 15 years was property related. When we eventually get off the 'poor us' kick we are on forget about the blame game (the leprechauns made me do it), we will work through it.

As long as we feel sorry for ourselves and worry about blame and retribution, we are not looking forward or preparing to fight our way back.

Just a personal opinion answering the question asked at the outset and ignoring the partisanship therein.

I stand by the Republic!
 


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