Can modern Islam ever align with Irish human rights ?

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Irish women threw off the headscarves and segregation in the Catholic Church decades ago, we won’t be substiting that awfulness for another. The clip above demonstrates some brave modern Imans. That’s to be supported.
Jacinda wore it.
 


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These women in the linked article are exhibiting incredible bravery. The media in the west should shine more light on these freedom fighters. It could help protect them. It could help the west understand our problems are a drop in the ocean.
No they are being impertinent brats as students in their late teens or early twenties often are globally. The late 1960s the Russian American historian and sociologist of genius proportions predicted that the so-called "sexual revolution" if it took root would lead to the coarsening on all levels if not outright collapse of the culture of the West, decades on now after it most certainly did they root we can see that his warnings were indeed correct on a scale maybe he would have found unimaginable. We used to have probably the most refined and thoughtful high culture in the global history of humanity for all the evils that basically go with being human that were to be found in our civilization even into the early to mid 1960s- and now look at us! Do you think that as we are now capable of producing a Goethe or a Dickens? A Dante or Novalis? Look at the superficiality and often sordid nature of today's culture in the West where filthy minded pornographers such as William Burroughs are actually regarded as literary greats!

Do you want to inflict the below on the Muslim world?

Quarter of 14-year-old girls in UK have self-harmed, report finds

That is where the idea of "freedom" of the likes yourself and your heroine the proven fantasist Somali illegal immigrant leads to.

Pitirim Sorokin Revisited

Even Dutch TV exposed your heroine:

 
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She ‘chose’ to wear it. As a mark of respect. To show a hurt community that they are supported in their grief.
She could have shown respect without submitting to a medieval practice designed to show women their second class status under Islam.
 

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Do we have a thread on Brunei stonings for gays ?

Can't find any, other than comments buried in unrelated threads.
 

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Do you want to inflict the below on the Muslim world?

Quarter of 14-year-old girls in UK have self-harmed, report finds

That is where the idea of "freedom" of the likes yourself and your heroine the proven fantasist Somali illegal immigrant leads to.
Do you know anything about the suicide rate for women in Islamic countries like Afghanistan?
And why do you assume their self harming rates are lower there? Perhaps it's just that nobody bothers collecting the figures. So much for happiness.
 

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The basic flaw with this thread is that there's really no such thing as "modern" Islam - it's based on a rule book that has not changed for 1400 years.
 

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Speaking of which there was a forced marriage case today and the Irish Supreme Court refused the father's appeal of contempt of court order that had ordered him not to send his daughter to Egypt.

......A father who supported his 16-year-old daughter’s Islamic marriage here to a 29-year-old man against her wishes has lost his Supreme Court appeal over being jailed for a year due to contempt of court orders not to facilitate her later departure to Egypt. .....
 

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I find this tremendously worrying. Whatever about the actions of the parents, what on Earth was the mosque thinking in allowing a 26 year old to marry.

From the Irish Times article:

'From the evidence, the girl appeared not to have realised the ceremony she underwent aged 16 in 2010 at an Islamic Foundation on South Circular Road, Dublin, was a marriage ceremony'
 

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Sky had an interesting case, English muslim lad sent out to Pakistan and forced to marry some young wan, the mother and grandmother were the ones behind it and kept his passport so he couldn't leave unless he went through with the marriage.
 

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Speaking of which there was a forced marriage case today and the Irish Supreme Court refused the father's appeal of contempt of court order that had ordered him not to send his daughter to Egypt.



UN declaration of human rights. You have the right to choose your spouse.
You can imagine however how annoyed this dude must be, being told that he does not have the right he thinks he should have. I am not asking for sympathy for him, I am just asking you to put yourself in his shoes and feel his anger.
 

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Do you know anything about the suicide rate for women in Islamic countries like Afghanistan?
And why do you assume their self harming rates are lower there? Perhaps it's just that nobody bothers collecting the figures. So much for happiness.
Or perhaps we should aspire to be like Bangladesh where young women lure their class mates to be savagely burnt to death.
 

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She ‘chose’ to wear it.
Yeah, she did. Unlike the majority of women who wear one. Very generous and humane impulse on her part. Poor choice of medium.
 

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I find this tremendously worrying. Whatever about the actions of the parents, what on Earth was the mosque thinking in allowing a 26 year old to marry.

From the Irish Times article:

'From the evidence, the girl appeared not to have realised the ceremony she underwent aged 16 in 2010 at an Islamic Foundation on South Circular Road, Dublin, was a marriage ceremony'
What was the Mosque thinking? In all likelihood, that what the proceedings precisely were was none of the girl's business.

Happens all the time and I think it likely only a minority of cases reach court.



 

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Do we have a thread on Brunei stonings for gays ?

Can't find any, other than comments buried in unrelated threads.
Rich Nations introducing stoning thread worthy? Nah. Just like the attempted Jihad mass murder in Lyon last week. Not a blip. Normalization.
 

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What was the Mosque thinking? In all likelihood, that what the proceedings precisely were was none of the girl's business.

Happens all the time and I think it likely only a minority of cases reach court.



Yes...muslim marriages that are not registered with the state are common, and frequently used to help deprive the bride of her rights in the event of a divorce. Somewhat surprising that more hasn't been made of this...is it not illegal to preside over the marriage of a child to an adult?
 

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Yes...muslim marriages that are not registered with the state are common, and frequently used to help deprive the bride of her rights in the event of a divorce. Somewhat surprising that more hasn't been made of this...is it not illegal to preside over the marriage of a child to an adult?
That would probably be racist.
 


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