Can social justice be redeemed?

Breanainn

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One notable aspect of political conversations on social media is the advent of the pejorative term "social justice warrior", with the implication being that the doctrine has become associated with esoteric navel-gazing and excessive political correctness, rather than concrete societal policies. Still, the various social problems prevalent in this country, such as homelessness, the spread of food banks, child poverty, and the monetisation of health services allow offer avenues for redemption of the concept, with the theoretical backing of Amartya Sen and Thomas Piketty among others. If social justice is capable of resuscitation, could it become the political salvation of the left?
 


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Adoption of the bigger injustices like those mentioned in the OP would probably go a long way towards a resuscitation. The trouble is that the more nuanced and niche causes have become what they currently are perceived to represent.
 

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I suppose it could, but it would require a political movement to represent it. What is clear from the widening of income and wealth distribution in the UK, Ireland and the US is that there is no real difference between the traditional left wing and right wing parties in those countries and the lives of the ordinary citizens. A common theme of Brexit and Trump victories is a disaffected majority that feel they have no representation in the corridors of power.
 

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"SJ" as such could be done by a more nationalist party, all the Left parties are globalists, Pro Islam and are more interested in middlle class left issues, they arent reformable
 

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If social justice is capable of resuscitation, could it become the political salvation of the left?
Its still a pretty important consideration for most Irish people. Even among conservatives, the complaint is about value for money rather than questioning supports. I think the problem is that there are too many minor irritations being used by pressure groups to raise funds for their pet hobby horses at the expense of the major causes of poverty.
 

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the implication being that the doctrine has become associated with esoteric navel-gazing and excessive political correctness, rather than concrete societal policies.
The real backlash against the SJW is due to the emotive - usually visceral, angry - responses to those who disagree with them. What was knee-jerk liberalism has become tearful shrieking hatred of ideological opponents.

This clashes with deeply embedded western ideals of rational debate; force of argument; battles of intellect.
 

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As a gay mawn I'm greatly appreciate of the progress of social justice in this country when it comes to minority rights. But there is a much bigger battle to be fought and it's an economic one.
 
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SJ is just another way of demanding they everybody get what they deem they are entitled to without having to question anything about their contribution to it.

Someone else has always got to pay as long as it is not the SJW.................... but they will find someone who should be exploited and pay more of their income.

I look at where I grew up and some of those who live life off the state come from a long line where it seems to be genetic for someone else to fund their lifestyle.

Everybody demands their rights and refuses to live to their responsibilities.
 

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You mean give everybody the fruits of those that are working.
No. Making every full-time contract a living wage, reduce house prices, improve job security. Make people see the value of work.
 

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One notable aspect of political conversations on social media is the advent of the pejorative term "social justice warrior", with the implication being that the doctrine has become associated with esoteric navel-gazing and excessive political correctness, rather than concrete societal policies. Still, the various social problems prevalent in this country, such as homelessness, the spread of food banks, child poverty, and the monetisation of health services allow offer avenues for redemption of the concept, with the theoretical backing of Amartya Sen and Thomas Piketty among others. If social justice is capable of resuscitation, could it become the political salvation of the left?
Since big money started to be rewarded to so called "Social Justice warriors" the issues of social injustices seems to have manifestly increased. I have noticed that people on the career ladder in my company are all on different charities boards, e.g. St Vincent de Paul, Dochas etc. Knowing the same people for years, they would not piss on you if you were on fire. How can these sort of individuals do anything for Social Justice???
 

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This SJ ideology is encouraged by the globalists, all this identity politics keeps the masses distracted from the real agenda.
 
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This SJ ideology is encouraged by the globalists, all this identity politics keeps the masses distracted from the real agenda.
Oversimplification of the nuances, but you're not wrong. At least some good does come from the successes, but yeah, distractions from the bigger issues expressed by the OP, rather than some "agenda".
 

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I was referring to the globalist's agenda. I do believe they try to keep it under wraps as much as possible.
 

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There cant be social justice when foreign nationals are given a disproportionate percentage of the new jobs while low skilled Irish are both denied employment on the one hand, and dismissed as "scroungers" when they do the inevitable result and go on the dole. This is also what has been happening in the US to some extent, though they are more likely to be called "bitter clingers" (remember the Obama tape in 2008). The Obama admin removes people from the unemployment statistics when they give up looking for a job after 6 months. Gallup has real unemployment over there closer to 10% not 4.6% as is the official figure.

As the leaders of the Left have climbed the economic ladder they have increasingly forgotten their working class roots (where such roots existed) and gotten into bed with big business.

The Left Liberal parties have embraced a concept of social justice that priorities cultural-rights over economic rights. Consequently the White working class are excluded from economic development, resulting in intergenerational Irish and western unemployment. Right and Left collude in perpetuating this by failing to tackle barriers to entry to the professions, and supporting trade deals that outsource manufacturing and textiles to the Third World. In their place come hi-tech companies that fly in workers from the Far East. Then the politicians fiddle the figures by removing those on with job-activation schemes (that pay at best provide a €70 on top of the dole) from the unemployment statistics. The Obama regime does something similar to fool the people that unemployment is falling faster than in reality.

If the plebs complain, the Left-Liberal elites collude with the neoliberal corporatists to label them as "racists". Consequently the pretend Left become Red Tories, conspiring to keep wages low, jobs scarce, and the disenfranchised quiet.

Can't find jobs? The Fake Left and corporations think you're racist.
Can't find a house? The Left think you're racist.
Can't find a hospital bed? The Left think you're racist.

No thanks.

Social justice will only come when politicians and business stops reaching for the soft option of cheap foreign labour and outsourcing to the Third World. The American and British working class has spoken. To some extent its Irish counterpart did to with the number of Independents and Hard Left that were elected. Unfortunately the people have not yet realised that some of the Hard Left are stormtroopers of the corporations in disguise.
 
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It doesn't need to be "redeemed". No one who uses the phrase "social justice warrior" with a straight face deserves to be taken seriously in the first place.
 

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It doesn't need to be "redeemed". No one who uses the phrase "social justice warrior" with a straight face deserves to be taken seriously in the first place.
In my opinion SJWs arent really about social justice - just Cultural Marxism. They tend to be from privileged backgrounds and multiculturalism is more important to them than alleviating economic inequality. Some exceptions,
 

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In my opinion SJWs arent really about social justice - just Cultural Marxism. They tend to be from privileged backgrounds and multiculturalism is more important to them than alleviating economic inequality. Some exceptions,
No one who uses the phrase "cultural Marxism" with a straight face deserves to be taken seriously either...
 

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As a gay mawn I'm greatly appreciate of the progress of social justice in this country when it comes to minority rights. But there is a much bigger battle to be fought and it's an economic one.
Part of the problem is people couching political argument in terms like "As a ___________".
 


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